Equal rights and Spineless Jelly SwamiHanuman das
Hare Krishna, today we have another video about strange personalities which ended up on “the guru list”. Vedic scriptures never mention “the guru list” anywhere, and Prabhupada also never mentioned the guru list. Srila Prabhupada explicitly said that all his disciples have right to initiate provided they follow the process perfectly. He never said that gurus should be “voted in” by sannyasis with female secretaries and by good friends of Ramesh baba.
Quotes by Srila Prabhupada on the subject
Yogeśvara: So here’s a problem: The women today want the same rights as men. How can they be satisfied?
Prabhupāda: Everything will be satisfied. Just like our women, Kṛṣṇa conscious, they are working. They don’t want equal rights with the men. It is due to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. They are cleansing the temple, they are cooking very nicely. They are satisfied. They never said that “I have to go to Japan for preaching like Prabhupāda.” They never say. This is artificial. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness means work in his constitutional position. (https://vanisource.org/wiki/740527_-Morning_Walk-_Rome)
As stated in Bhagavad-Gita (9.32), striyo vaisyas tatha sudras te ‘pi yanti param gatim. Women are not considered very powerful in following spiritual principles, but if a woman is fortunate enough to get a suitable husband who is spiritually advanced and if she always engages in his service, she also gets the same benefit as her husband. Here it is clearly said that the wives of Saubhari Muni also entered the spiritual world by the influence of their husband. They were unfit, but because they were faithful followers of their husband, they also entered the spiritual world with him. Thus a woman should be a faithful servant of her husband, and if the husband is spiritually advanced, the woman will automatically get the opportunity to enter the spiritual world. (SB 9.6.53p)
Full fledged documentary about young female diksa guru issue
Transcript of the video
In this video, we have a Spineless Jelly Swami, who will preach whatever nonsense is popular at the present time, just to please the public, and while doing that he will completely disregard Srila Prabhupada’s instructions.
We are showing the full video, nothing is removed from original video:
0-0:24 – That is a lie, there was no “equal opportunity” to serve Krishna at any time while Srila Prabhupada was present, and there is no equal opportunity to serve today. Srila Prabhupada was big supporter of traditional roles for women, namely being a mother, being a house maker. Srila Prabhupada never appointed any woman as a temple president, and he also didn’t promote any woman to any managerial body. Srila Prabhupada also never sent women alone without their husbands to open a center in some new country.
Furthermore, Srila Prabhupada writes in the basic book of Krishna consciousness movement, namely Bhagavad-gita, BG 1.40 purport, “As children are very prone to be misled, women are similarly very prone to degradation. Therefore, both children and women require protection by the elder members of the family”.
So, to say that women have equal opportunity to serve Krishna is a lie. Men and women don’t have equal opportunity and they serve Krishna in very different ways.
0:24-0:40 – So, he says, just the fact that women were allowed to join Krishna consciousness movement, that means there are practically equal rights. This is the most sexist statement that I heard in quite a while, just because women were allowed to join Krishna consciousness, that means everything is ok. I don’t think feminists and other gender equality proponents would agree with this idea. You see, equal rights means that women should hold 50% of temple president positions in ISKCON, women should hold 50% of GBC positions in ISKCON, and women should be 50% of gurus in ISKCON. And we don’t have that. Not even close.
0:40-0:56 Women gurus are in the in the pipeline? For how long? Women gurus are in the pipeline for the last 15 years? So, why we still don’t have even one female diksa guru? I’ll tell you why, because there is an opposition. Why there is an opposition? Because Srila Prabhupada in his works mentioned two main qualities of women. They should be chaste and shy. These two words, chaste and shy, are mentioned more than 1000 times in Srila Prabhupada’s books in regards to women. So, how can chaste and shy women sit on an elevated seat and preach like a lion. That is completely incompatible situation.
0:56-1:14 Really? You would like that female diksa guru shares the responsibility with other male gurus. How is that supposed to work exactly? Who will take care of her children while she is traveling around the world? In vedic culture, after the husband takes sannyas and leaves home, woman stays with elderly son. Nowhere in Srila Prabhupada’s books we find instruction that a woman also starts traveling around independently of her husband. If husband travels with her, then she is a guru, and he is not, that creates an awkward situation in which wife is no longer subordinate to the husband.
1:14-1:30 – Swami says: “I have fantastic friends in form of female followers of Srila Prabhupada.” The amount of nonsense that Spineless Jelly Swami can produce is astounding, I am having a hard time keeping up. Sannyasis are not supposed to have fantastic female friends, and I have to say that this Swami is a sahajiya because he is making very weird statements. I mean, what is the point of taking sannyass if you have fantastic female friends. So, my advice to all aspiring disciples, don’t take initiation from sannyasis who have fantastic female friends.
1:30 – 1:58 Here you have it, women diksa gurus. But, he says we need another delay. Why is he delaying the whole thing to a next generation? Probably because he has no idea what is he talking about. So, making pretty girls into gurus, that is not such a bad idea, provided they can spend a night with their brahmacari disciples to “give them mercy”.
1:58 – 2:24 – So, he just said that there will probably be no female gurus in his generation, now he is back to same fairytale that everybody has equal rights in this movement. Who would accept this nonsense?
2:24 – 2:47 – Men should give protection to women? Why do men need to give protection to women? Because they are so weak and unable to take care for themselves? Oh my God, he just destroyed everything he said, basic idea of modern worldview is that women don’t need protection from men. Why would women need protection? They would need protection only if they are weak and inferior, but that is not the case according to the western liberal way of thinking. So, this turned out to be the most sexist video that I ever saw.
2:47 – 3:00 – Women need shelter and kindness? Oh, so cute, what about women being strong and independent. How can woman be a guru if she needs shelter and kindness. What kind of guru is that? Guru who needs shelter and kindness? That is one of the most funny things I ever heard. Guru is someone who roars like a lion while he destroys all kinds of deviations. Guru is not some girl who needs shelter and kindness. My God.
3:00 – 3:08: Really? It doesn’t matter in what kind of body are you in? Then let’s put a dog to be a guru, it’s all the same you know. Don’t be fooled by this guy, he has no clue what is he talking about. According to Krishna, women and men have completely different social roles. Swami is preaching a watered down version of Krishna consciousness which is completely useless.
3:08 – 3:24 – This last part I agree with. In human species, everybody can make steps toward Krishna, but those steps are not the same for everybody. And female diksa guru is a sahajiya idea which will take us away from Krishna, not closer to Him.
ABC of Krishna consciousness:
- We are not enjoyer, we imitate Krishna in this material world by trying to enjoy and control the material nature.
- Greatest form of entanglement is opposite sex.
- Therefore, Krishna’s plan for our gradual elevation is gender segregation, and responsible married life.
- Mixing between the sexes should be minimised and therefore, ladies are mostly at home, taking care for the house and children, and men are earning money to support the family.
- Same social organization was present when Krisna appeared as described in the Mahabharata, All the generals, kings, advisors were male. And Krishna saw all of this and he didn’t start feminism or gender equality movement.
- Prabhupada was simply following those ideas of civilised life which have been followed for thousands of years everywhere.
- Kali-yuga society is changing it’s ideology every 50 years, Krishna consciousness movement is not here to please the public, we are here to show to proper way of living for whoever is fortunate enough to accept it.
- If we accept current western views on gender roles, we will have to pay the price for it. And the price of free women loitering around and changing partners, the price of irresponsible husband who are also woman hunters, the price for that kind of living are 50% divorce rate, traumatized children who have to go through this hell, abortions, and returning to the cat and dog level where there is no chance for spiritual advancement.
Original spineless video by USA gurudevis and their spineless “friends”