Who can criticiseHanuman das
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From: Sunil Dutt Kaushik <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 15:08:59 +0530 Message-ID: <CAAxQa2+gjBQ4yMT+cc7ABWw422wy=ox2cOMdH=Q-9AziUUFBjQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Right/Authority to fault finding To: Hanuman das <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Hare Krishna Prabhuji
Please accept my humble obeisances
All glories to Shrila Prabhupada !
All glories to Shri Guru and Gaurango!
Prabhuji could you please explain about who can criticise/fault find with others (Reply with references from scriptures) . Can anybody criticize anybody or only senior devotees/ Gurus can criticize . Generally we hear from advanced devotees that unless we are authorized we should not poke our nose .Because we may be under illusion or misunderstand a person or situation and we may become victim of doing Vaishnava offence which is most dangerous.
Kindly enlighten with references that can a disciple criticize his guru or find faults in his guru . is it proper etiquette to throw mud on elders publicly even if they seem to be wrong .
Please reply to my queries one by one as it will be great service to Prabhupada if you can reply convincingly .
Right and responsibility go both together ……
With best regards \
In your service
Siddha Nitai das
Prabhuji could you please explain about who can criticise/fault find with others (Reply with references from scriptures)
Sure, no problem. I can explain.
Can anybody criticize anybody or only senior devotees/ Gurus can criticize
Anybody can criticise, who can stop him? Especially in the age of Internet. Krishna gives free will to everybody.
Maybe it would be a better question to ask what are consequences of justified criticism. And what are consequences of unjustified criticism? And what are consequences of having a silent Gestapo society where nobody is allowed to criticise deviations. But since you didn’t ask those three questions, I will not bother to answer them for now.
Generally we hear from advanced devotees that unless we are authorized we should not poke our nose.
That is nonsense. This is not philosophy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Lord Caitanya never said to anybody “You should not poke your nose” and “you should let deviant leaders misguide their followers”. That was not Srila Prabhupada’s philosophy, and that was certainly not philosophy of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. This is something which is imagined by deviant followers of Srila Prabhupada.
Actual philosophy is explained is explained by Caitanya Mahaprabhu personally:
When Rāmānanda Rāya addressed Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Caitanya Mahāprabhu objected, saying, “I am not the Supreme Personality of Godhead but an ordinary human being. Therefore I must fear public opinion in three ways — with My body, mind and words. (CC Madhya 12.50)
As soon as the general public finds a little fault in the behavior of a sannyāsī, they advertise it like wildfire. A black spot of ink cannot be hidden on a white cloth. It is always very prominent. (CC Madhya 12.51)
As, you can see, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu didn’t say “Nobody should criticise me”, but rather he emphasized perfect behaviour as antidote to criticism. Current ISKCON sannyasis and gurus should imbibe the mood of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, instead of doing nonsense activities and then expecting everybody to be silent. Such Gestapo mentality will never attract intelligent followers.
Because we may be under illusion or misunderstand a person or situation and we may become victim of doing Vaishnava offence which is most dangerous.
Yes, and also sannyasi who travels for 10 years with his girlfriend may also be under illusion. “Pure devotee” who is supposed to spend 24 hours per day in Krishna service is playing ping pong with girls although he is sannyasi, he also plays croquet and basketball, he may also be under illusion.
And all deviant people who are pretending to be gurus and misleading others may become victim of doing Vaisnava offence toward Srila Prabhupada, which is most dangerous.
Srila Prabhupada never told us that we must be silent about obvious deviations. Cheaters within ISKCON should be exposed for what they are. If we are pretending that sannyasi with girlfriend is a genuine sannyasi, we are living in illusion and we are cheating others by staying silent.
Apaiśunam means that one should not find fault with others or correct them unnecessarily. Of course to call a thief a thief is not fault finding, but to call an honest person a thief is very much offensive for one who is making advancement in spiritual life. (BG 16.1-3)
As you can see, Srila Prabhupada never suggested to accept a trief as pure devotee or to be silent about thieves.
Kindly enlighten with references that can a disciple criticize his guru or find faults in his guru.
It is not possible to criticise guru or find faults in guru. Because real guru has perfect behaviour and perfect knowledge.
It is possible to criticise only fake guru, who deviated from the parampara and is cheating others in the name of parampara.
For example, fake sannyasi who travels around the world with his girlfriend is criticisable because he is directly disobeying Srila Prabhupada and is bringing disgrace to glorious brahma-gaudiya sampradaya. Same rules apply to so-called gurus who are associating with mayavadis, gurus who are playing ping-pong and croquet and all other types of nonsense.
All ISKCON gurus are protected by their disciples and followers, so if genuine guru is attacked, it is duty of his disciples to defend his activities philosophically. But since fake disciples of fake guru don’t know philosophy of Krishna consciousness, they can’t defend him.
For example, disciples of a sannyasi who travels around the world with his girlfriend are usually silent when their fake guru is attacked because they don’t know how to defend him. All they can say is “Don’t criticise” or “It’s all his lila which we can’t understand”, which is a truly pathetic position.
For reference about finding faults in fake guru, please read Srimad Bhagavatam 8th canto, chapter 20, “Bali Maharaja Surrenders the Universe”:
Anyone who is supposed to be a guru but who goes against the principle of viṣṇu-bhakti cannot be accepted as guru. If one has falsely accepted such a guru, one should reject him. Such a guru is described as follows (Mahābhārata, Udyoga 179.25):
guror apy avaliptasya
Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī has advised that such a useless guru, a family priest acting as guru, should be given up, and that the proper, bona-fide guru should be accepted.
You will not hear this verse quoted much by sannyasis who travel with their girlfriends, or by GBC body who is supporting such “sannyasis”.
Is it proper etiquette to throw mud on elders publicly even if they seem to be wrong
We should never throw mud on elders. But if elders are actually cheaters, then they are not actually elters. If so called elders are twisting Srila Prabhupada’s teachings in a most gross ways by glorifying mayavadis such as Krishna das and sahajiyas such Ramesh baba, then they are not really elders.
The concept of elders is severely twisted in ISKCON, elder is somebody who is fighting for Prabhupada, somebody who has proper behaviour and someone who will rather die than change Prabhupada’s teachings.
Elder is not some spineless jelly bureaucrat, who is only interested watering down Krishna consciousness so that he could increase numbers of brainless followers who will give him money and secure his existence.
Dear Siddha Nitai das, if you want to be catapulted to spiritual world, proper way is to fight for Prabhupada and his teachings. Being spineless retarded jelly who never criticises rascals who twist Prabhupada’s teachings will never bring you glory. Rather, you will lead mediocre, boring life devoid of real Krishna consciousness. This is exactly what I am trying to escape from.
I was leading a boring life in so called “Christian nation”, and I never criticised my Christian priests. And then Prabhupada came along. And when I met Srila Prabhupada through his books, I felt my life is coming back. I understood that so called Christian religion is a dead religion, their philosophy is fake, their priests are fake, and their religion is full of fake followers who are either retarded or purposefully agree to live a lie.
When I joined Krishna consciousness movement, 25 years ago, I escaped from such religion, and never again will I agree to live a lie again. Current ISKCON is increasingly becoming a fake religion from which I wanted to escape. You have to be blind not to see it, cheap sannyasis with girlfriends, butt raising yoginis, masturbation preachers, sahajiyas like Ramesh baba are all of the sudden saints instead of cheaters and so on. If you are willing to stay silent to all this deviations, by using “fault-finding” as an excuse, you are free to continue. I personally tasted the sweetness of real Krishna consciousness and I will never agree to be silent, retarded follower of a watered-down religion.