Who can criticise, part 2Hanuman das
Second part of discussion about criticism, absolute truth, hypocrisy and sincerity.
Read Part 1 if you missed it.
My inline reply
Hare krishna prabhuji pamho
All glories to Shrila Prabhupada
Thank you very much for your time and sharing the Nectar from Prabhupada books.
I am completely convinced about the deviations you are mentioning and that pains us.
Please also enlighten me further, Prabhupada says we can call a thief a thief, that is not a fault finding. But Prabhupada did not mention that anybody can call a thief a theif, general understanding is that we can escalate the matter to higher authorities and they can take proper action.
Before I started writing about certain topic, I escalated the issue to higher authorities. For example, when I discovered that Sacinandana Swami has a girlfriend, I escalated the issue to Prahladananda Swami, minister for sannyasa, he called me offender, said that he investigated everything, that Sacinandana doesn’t have a girlfriend and that I should apologize. That was two years ago after I was banned from the temple. Not only that he didn’t remove the ban, rather he sided with the cheater and lied to me. You can read the whole letter here
Within the last two years, I published numerous videos and photos of Sacinandana baba and his girlfriend. Prahladananda Swami never contacted me to apologize for his mistake, and he never agree to remove the ban. So, I am banned from the temple, although I am speaking the truth.
That much I can say about “higher authorities”.
Could you please give me some references where juniors can attack openly seniors when they are wrong. Did Bali Maharaj do like that? I think he humbly asked forgiveness for not being able to follow Sukracharya.
Please quote such instances from scriptures where neophytes can attack seniors with heavy criticism publicly when they speak wrong philosophy.
Draupadi challenged seniors publicly when they failed to protected her, when they wanted to display her naked in Dhritarastra’s palace. She publicly challenged Bhisma, Dhritarastra and many other men who were senior to her. She openly asked them in front of everybody if this what is happening to her was done according to dharma.
I think that is the main concept in our movement because of which devotees remain silent and don’t get involved even in any kind of negativity about any practising devotee or guru or sannyasi.
In the society dedicated to preaching the Absolute Truth, which ISKCON is supposed to be, people who are considering becoming disciples deserve to know the truth about who is genuine guru.
If truth is “offensive”, that means we have become a cheating society.
Devotees say that why should you try to know what is going on at top level, there are people at every level to monitor devotees at every level. This is most dangerous to discuss the activities of other Vaishnavas who are not in your area of influence. They will tell you that this is prajalpa and will certainly spoil your attitude and faith.
Life of a pure devotee is like an open book, no secrets, no private life. Top level is corrupt, and therefore they are allowing sannyasis with girlfriends and masturbation preachers.
I would be most happy if devotees on the top level would solve issues. But they are not solving anything.
Attitude and faith will be spoiled by sannyasis with girlfriends, not by me.
So I would request unless you defeat these concepts with references from Prabhupada, nothing will work.
Everything is working, people naturally want to know the truth, and they want to visit my website for that reason. If they would be getting the truth from the leadership, they wouldn’t have the need to visit my website. But since leadership is hiding the truth, truth appeared through my website.
So my question is who is authorised to criticise as per scriptures, is it only guru or seniors who can criticize or anybody can criticize as per scriptures.
Is sannyasi authorised to have girlfriend, as per scripture?
Are spiritual leaders authorized to cover up sannyasis with girlfriends, as per scripture?
Aren’t gurus and seniors supposed to defend juniors from being cheated, as per scripture?
My website is consequence of gross deviations. If leaders did their job in the first place, my website wouldn’t even exist.
So, your philosophy is that seniors are twisting Prabhupada’s teachings in all possible ways, creating weird deviations, and when I start complaining, then actual problem is with me? That I can not criticise that because I am junior? Are you out of your mind? Actual problem are deviations themselves, not my website who exposes them. Actually, my website is the solution to the problem.
If you want to push abiding by the scriptures, please send email to Sacinandana Swami and ask him why he traveled with his girlfriend for the last 10 years.
Gross transgressions of the scriptures are most obvious in our society. But when junior exposes these things, then he is told that according to scriptures, he should not do that. This is the very definition of hypocrisy.
Second point is about BG 9.30, should we criticize every small mistake… (Apichet suduracharo…), if somebody is fixed up in mangla arti daily, chanting his rounds and four regulative principles perfectly and sometimes some small occasional deviation is noticed, then should we criticize him?
I am not criticising small mistake. Sannyasi traveling with his girlfriend around the world for 10 years in not small mistake. Get a grip on reality.
Third point is healthy criticism within a forum inside ISKCON can be fruitful but publicly before the people who are not devotees may not be OK, probably Prabhupada will not be happy with that, how do you justify these things?
I tried criticising within inside forum, they told me I am imagining things, that I am offender, and that I am wrong and that I need to apologize to a sannyasi and his girlfriend. Talk to Prahladananda Swami and ISKCON Zagreb authorities if you want to know details. My whole conversation with them is publicly available on my website.
Only after I was not able to accomplish anything inside ISKCON, did I went public.
Prabhupada is very happy with me, don’t worry about that.
Please share from your heart, has your devotion and taste in Harinam increased after you started this project, don’t these things eat your Bhakti or disturb you, please share honestly and truly.
My taste for the Holy Name increased immensely since I started serving the Absolute truth. As the saying goes, “The truth will set you free”. All the acaryas are on my side.
Did you your devotion and taste in Harinam increase after you started silently approving sannyasis with girlfriends. Do all cheaters in ISKCON eat your bhakti or disturb you, please share honestly and truly.
By being silent coward, led by traitors of Prabhupada’s legacy, you will never be able to taste the Holy name. If you don’t believe me, maybe Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati will convince you:
A chanter of Hari-kirtana is necessarily the uncompromising enemy of worldliness and hypocrisy. It is his constant function to dispel all misconceptions by preaching the truth in its most unambiguous form, without any consideration of person, place, or time. The form to be adopted is that which is least likely to be misunderstood. It is his bounden duty to clearly and frankly oppose any person who tries to deceive and harm himself and others by misrepresenting the truth, whether due to malice or genuine misunderstanding.
This will be possible if the chanter of kirtana is always prepared to submit to being trodden upon by thoughtless people, if such discomfort will enable him to benefit his persecutors by chanting of the truth in the most unambiguous manner.
If he is unwilling or afraid of considerations of self-respect or personal discomfort to chant kirtana under all circumstances, he is unfit to be a preacher of the absolute truth.
Humility implies perfect submission to the truth and no sympathy for untruth. Those who entertain any partiality for untruth are unfit to chant Hari-kirtana. Any clinging to untruth is opposed to the principle of humility born of absolute submission to the truth. (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, Harmonist 26.249-50, Apr 1929)
When devotees get matured and sincerely looking for Krishna, then they really think whats is going on and but they fear to discuss such issues faced by them.
So unless we defeat the wrong concepts in our movement, new revolution will never come.
Revolution might never come because most people are comfortable eating sweet rice and serving their fake leaders. And since ISKCON is currently running in Gestapo mode, full time members are risking a lot if they start complaining.
My goal is to work for Prabhupada and tell the truth, the truth is contagious, the revolution itself depends on Krishna.
Most knowledgeable who are convinced that you are right in pinpointing the defects say that Hanuman prabhu is right but the way he is expressing his concerns is not proper, anyway I am just looking for what best I can do being in Shrila Prabhupada movement and gathering right knowledge to convince myself, so looking for Prabhupada statements.
So, telling the truth is ok, but telling the truth while wearing a pink t-shirt is not ok. Give me a break. Those people are not knowledgeable. If they had any knowledge, they wouldn’t tolerate that Prabhupada is insulted by turning his movement into circus.
Main issue today is that we are not clear what is right and what is wrong? And what to do and what not to do?
That is the biggest trouble today? Many people say many things, please bring conclusions of prabhupada more and more before devotees, that will clear everything and real golden age then only can begin…
Lazy fellow who doesn’t read Prabhupada’s books can never become knowledgeable. Srila Prabhupada spoke in very clear manner. Srila Prabhupada even directly said that sannyasis can not have female secretaries. What more clarity to you need?
Mayavadis and cheaters always try to present simple things as very complicated. Sannyasis should not have girlfriends. There is nothing complicated about that. Sannyasi with girlfriend should be removed from his sannyasi position and return back to grhasta asrama. There is nothing complicated about that, that is ABC of Krishna consciousness.
Then this is a hint by Lord Caitanya that a sannyāsī who has renounced everything, if he lives very gorgeously, with good dress, and good house, and APARTMENT… No. This is not approved by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Then what is that? What does it mean? A sannyāsī living like a first-class gentleman, smoking, and very nice apartment, and some, I mean to say, LADY ASSISTANT, SECRETARY… What is this? Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not approve. He must be, as far as possible… Whatever is absolutely necessity, he should accept, not more. Yes. That is renounced order of life, not that in the name of renounced order of life he should live at the expense of the householders, very gorgeously. No. This is not sannyāsa. It is not accepted by Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s sampradāya. (Lecture CC 20.66-96, New York, November 21, 1966)
Thanks for the mercy you are bestowing, I have got many concepts cleared through your website and feel very happy to read crucial subject matters like Prabhupada conclusion on yoga, Vrindavan babajis and many others.
See, my website is working after all.
Thanks a lot again.
Please share as much possible Prabhupada conclusions, that will be immense service to save us from Maya…..
Siddha Nitai Das