Wind of change

Wind of change

Great stuff, if you are just reading articles on my website, you are not getting the real picture, real stuff are the lives changed, and the lives changed are visible from conversations. It is magnificent to see that not everybody agrees to be sheep in North Korean ISKCON regime, where you are not allowed to say anything against “pure devotee” sannyasis who travel around the world with pretty unmarried secretary girl and follow Ramesh baba. More and more people are becoming aware of great ping pong coverup, where you have to believe that pure devotee guru doesn’t chant on japa because his hand has some weird disease. But as soon as he starts playing ping pong, hand is cured. Luckily, more and more people are becoming genuine devotees who can use their brain to discriminate nonsense from reality for the benefit of all.

You can almost feel as Radhanath baba’s and Sacinandana baba’s world is falling apart as people are finally able to see the light of day.

Here is a chat between me and one such genuine follower of Srila Prabhupada who doesn’t agree to be sheep.

V1494192194086569 : Hare Krishna Prabhuji from India. Just wanted to thank you for this important service you are doing which is helping many devotees like me to not get cheated by fake gurus and GBC memebers.
Hanuman : Thank you for your support.
Hanuman : If you get fake guru, you will not go to spiritual world, so it's a serious business.
V1494192194086569 : yes you are right, also prabhupada himself said that if you want to get cheated, Krishna sends a cheater. so we are not reading prabhupada books seriously, so no one complains.
Hanuman : Well, that is not entirely true.
Hanuman : First of all, many people are risking by sending me evidence which I publish, so, that is a form of complaint.
Hanuman : They can not come publicly with this info because ISKCON is North Korean type of society.
Hanuman : But they are obviously unhappy with the situation if they are sending me stuff which is not ok.
Hanuman : Secondly there are 4500 devotees who come to my website every month.
Hanuman : So, they have at least some idea that something is wrong.
V1494192194086569 : yes prabhuji i agree. Even though situation is not so bad in India, but From now on, I will also actively lookout for any such deviations and if possible will send you photo and video evidence.
V1494192194086569 : Where I live, New Delhi, Gopal Krishna Goswami is the main spiritual master. Current focus is on building temples and collecting laksmi.
Hanuman : He has a female secretary.
Hanuman : Sanyasi with female secretary is a joke.
Hanuman :
V1494192194086569 : yes prabhuji i read that open letter and he has not responded. But i personally never saw mahahraja with any female secretary. If i happen to see i will make sure to take photo. He is mostly surrounded by male disciples and he has lots of disciples.
Hanuman : Well, there is gross falldown, that is worst.
Hanuman : Then, there is subtle falldown, like Sacinandana Swami, he associates with his secretary many hours every day.
Hanuman : Then, there is only email communication, and secretary is located somewhere else.
Hanuman : That is probably case with Gopal Krishna Goswami.
Hanuman : But still, I think it's a bad example.
V1494192194086569 : i agree and even if there is a misunderstanding, the leaders should clarify. not replying to letter breeds doubt.
Hanuman : Exactly.
V1494192194086569 : like one leader clarified and you apologised to him.
Hanuman : Yes.
Hanuman : But, If you get 10 nonsense letters every day, you can spend whole day replying to nonsense accusations, that is another problem.
V1494192194086569 : true
Hanuman : And you get nothing done.
Hanuman : From the other side, if you take sannyass, that means no more private life for you.
Hanuman : You are supposed to reply, at least one sentence.
Hanuman : Or your secretary can do it instead of you.
Hanuman : :smile: :smile: :smile:
V1494192194086569 : I am in touch with Sankarshan das adhikari and he always replies, sometimes in few hours only
V1494192194086569 : so why can't others reply
Hanuman : Because they think I am useless worm in stool aparadhi.
Hanuman : And they think nobody should dare to ask them anything.
Hanuman : Just follow and be humble.
Hanuman : And if you are good and humble, I might give you my used up female secretary to enjoy.
V1494192194086569 : I believe Prabhupada said: "surrender by your intelligence, don't surrender your intelligence"  there is misconception that anything you say, its offense.
Hanuman : Yes, Bhakti Vikasa Swami responds to all public accussations.
Hanuman : Within few days.
V1494192194086569 : yes i got his book mothers and masters on your recommendation
V1494192194086569 : brilliant
Hanuman : :smile:
Hanuman : Brilliant but banned.
V1494192194086569 : also ameyatma das wrote a similar book i believe on but never published, very similar books, full of prabhupada quotes
Hanuman : :smile:
Hanuman : He didn't have courage to publish.
Hanuman : He knew there will be trouble.
Hanuman : From GBC matas and sannyasis with secretaries.
V1494192194086569 : i think im talking randomly, so not to waste your time, prabhuji i have one question for you. from your understanding what exactly should new devotees do to protect themselves anfd help others in iskcon today
Hanuman : They should develop intelligence.
Hanuman : Krishna gives intelligence if you serve Him.
Hanuman : And if you are sincere.
Hanuman : So, there is no quick solution.
Hanuman : Only by Krishna's mercy one gets proper guru.
Hanuman : And by mercy of genuine guru, one gets Krishna.
V1494192194086569 : We should read Prabhupada's books and try to follow on our own and not be involved in temple so much?
Hanuman : You can be involved with temple, but don't become blind follower.
V1494192194086569 : Makes sense :grinning:
Hanuman : And it depends on the situation.
Hanuman : In London for example, there is huge pressure to become Radhanath baba's disciple.
Hanuman : And you have to listen to all their nonsense.
Hanuman : In order to be recommended for initiation.
V1494192194086569 : here in MUMBAI too
Hanuman : But you are in Delhi, no?
V1494192194086569 : yes yes, but i am aware of Mumbai a little
Hanuman : Yes, so it depends on the situation in the temple, and on your level of tolerance.
Hanuman : I know some people who are going to local temple without any problems, some other devotees are so fed up with nonsense that they just stay at home.
Hanuman : And some of them are banned, like me.
Hanuman : :smile:
V1494192194086569 : I see that.
V1494192194086569 : last question prabhuji: I see people regularly call you aparadhi. so vaishnav offense is really serious and can stop devotional life and many devotees tolerate nonsense for fear of making an offense. What is your understanding of offense and how you make sure you don't make one,
Hanuman : Greatest offense is to turn Srila Prabhupada's movement into a circus.
Hanuman : Which is happening right now.
Hanuman : With all the Ramesh disco dance gurus, eye camps, female secretaries and other nonsense.
Hanuman : I am really scared to see Prabhupada's angry face after I die.
Hanuman : That is my only fear.
Hanuman : And he tells me "You did nothing to protect my movement, you traitor".
V1494192194086569 : :astonished:
Hanuman : And second thing, that is offence??
Hanuman : Offence is if I insult you.
Hanuman : Offence is if I tell you that you are moron, cheater, stupid fool and prostitute hunter.
Hanuman : But, if I say that you are sannyasi and that you have female secretary and this is not ok.
Hanuman : Is that offence?
Hanuman : I just gave fact.
V1494192194086569 : Common sense says no, it's calling a thief a thief.
Hanuman : Exactly, Srila Prabhupada gives that example in Bhagavad-gita.
V1494192194086569 : But then devotees say Prabhupada never had criticising mood, he was accommodating, we should not have fault finding tendency so all these things are confusing too. I believed them too and got scared.
Hanuman : :smile:
Hanuman : Is that a joke?
Hanuman : Prabhupada was criticizing all the time.
V1494192194086569 : haha, i know. He was heavy
Hanuman : Disciple: Srila Prabhupada, you once said, “Anyone who has a material body is a rascal.”

Srila Prabhupada: A rascal. That’s all. And yet these rascals are trying to make the body permanent, even though they know they cannot. You cannot make the material body permanent. You are not allowed to keep it for more than several decades. Nor will you ever be allowed. Still, punah punash carvita-carvananam: [you are chewing what you have already chewed].Repeatedly, these fools go on trying for the impossible. What is impossible, what cannot be allowed—they are trying for it.

Hanuman : Disciple: Well, Srila Prabhupada, how is it that the Americans and Europeans, especially, have become the vanguard of these rascal ideas, this rascal culture?

Srila Prabhupada: Because they are Rakshasas, flesh-eaters. They are eating flesh and drinking wine and having illicit sex. Rakshasa civilization. Hiranyakashipu civilization. Hiranya means “gold,” and kashipu means “soft bed.” Simply learning how to attain these things—this is Rakshasa civilization. These people are simply searching after an existence of soft beds and gold, sex and money.
V1494192194086569 : :grinning:no compromise, straight forward
Hanuman : Exactly.
Hanuman : Radhanath baba is living the dream world.
Hanuman : Just smile and everybody will surrender to Krishna.
V1494192194086569 : He is very charismatic, I got influenced for a while too.
Hanuman : Question: Srila Prabhupada often referred to those who were opposed to Krishna consciousness, such as atheistic scientists or Mayavadis, as fools and rascals. So when referring to or talking with these people should we also call them as fools and rascals?

Answer (short):

We should not use the words “fools and rascals” because Srila Prabhupada did not want us to do that.
Srila Prabhupada was spiritually very advanced, he had no malice, no hatred for others. Hence people did not take offence of his using words like fools and rascals. Our position is not same as Srila Prabhupada.
Our use of words like “fools and rascals”, often comes from an egoistic platform, and that will alienate people when preaching, especially in current post-modern times when people are extremely sensitive to value-judgment or moral-judgment.
We should understand that the purpose of our preaching is not to label people as “fools and rascals” but to attract their heart towards Krishna’s lotus feet.

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Hanuman : This is Radhanath baba.
Hanuman : His disciple.
Hanuman : Completely opposite of Prabhupada.
Hanuman : If everybody is great, if everybody is saint, if everybody is living in a proper way, then what is the need of preaching?
Hanuman : You can just smile all day long like Dalai Lama.
Hanuman : And talk nonsense about peace love.
Hanuman : But Prabhupada was substantial, Prabhupada was real, as soon as you met him, you could understand that he is not joking.
Hanuman : Either you will accept Krishna or your philosophy will be blown to pieces.
Hanuman : That is real "War on terror".
Hanuman : :smile:
V1494192194086569 : I agree, and Prabhupada knew that everyone will not accept, it is like diamonds , few can afford but at least we avoid compromise this way.
Hanuman : Yes, here is more "nice Prabhupada":
Hanuman : Srila Prabhupada: All the big leaders in the world are foolishly thinking they are independent. They are just like the dog who forgets that he is controlled by his master. The dog doesn’t know he’s controlled. He’s thinking, “I am now free. Rau! Rau! Rau!” But then with a little pull of the chain, the master stops all his nonsense.
V1494192194086569 : Haha . Great sense of humour by Prabhupada :grinning:
Mākhanalāl: Wasn't that Ramakrishna who said he gave away everything; he had nothing more except...
Prabhupāda: What Ramakrishna? Don't talk of these nonsense. Simply they have misled. That's all.
Dr. Patel: Simply you bhaja Kṛṣṇa and don't think anything else. And you get all your intelligence there.
Prabhupāda: Therefore Kṛṣṇa has said, mām ekam. "Don't go to these foolish rascals." Mām ekam. Otherwise you'll be misled. Because they are misleaders, rascals.
Dr. Patel: You are so very hard.
Prabhupāda: I must be hard!
Dr. Patel: Hard, harsh, and hard and harsh...
Prabhupāda: The whole world is spoiled for these Māyāvādīs.
Therefore I am very much hard.
Dr. Patel: What... I don't say hard. Hard and harsh...
Prabhupāda: No, we must be harder and harder.
Dr. Patel: Hard and harsh! Doesn't matter...
Prabhupāda: I don't make any compromise with these rascals. No words. No, no. I never made that. Even if I don't get any disciples, I'll be satisfied. But I can't make any compromise like these rascals. I cannot make. Ekaś candras tamo hanti na ca tārā sahasrasaḥ. If I create one moon, that is sufficient. I don't want many stars. That was my Guru Mahārāja's principle, and that is my principle. What is the use of having number of fools and rascals? If one man understands rightly, he can deliver the whole world. Morning Walk, March 23, 1974, Bombay)
Hanuman : So, where Radhanath baba is getting his "manufactured Prabhupada" from, I don't know, that is not original Prabhupada.
V1494192194086569 : It's very sad :(
Hanuman : Can I publish this chat, it was really enlivening?
V1494192194086569 : Sure Prabhuji, even I was thinking of saving it for myself.
Hanuman : ok, you can save it, and I will save it, so we have two copies.
V1494192194086569 : Jaya! Thank you so much again. I wish you all the best in continuing this service. I hope to assist you too. Hare Krishna! :grinning:
Hanuman : Hare Rama.