Desperate rtviks are spreading fake quotesHanuman das
I always challenged rtviks to give me one statement of Srila Prabhupada where he said he will continue initiating people after his physical disappearance. No such quote exists. 3 days ago, prominent follower of the rtvik theory, Gauradasa Pandita posted fake quote of Srila Prabhupada so that he could convince people about fake New age Christian movement, also called rtvik movement:
First problem is this quote is that exact date is missing. Only the year is added. Since all Prabhupada’s conversations have exact date, this one is suspicious from the very beginning. If we do a search in folio, we will never find this quote anywhere. This fake quote appears only on rtvik websites:
So, to sum up, rtviks are cheaters, they are not loyal to Prabhupada, since they are willing to produce fake quotes to support their agenda. Be careful.
Rtviks theory makes sense only if you never read Prabhupada’s books. Only lazy ignorant people who don’t read Prabhupada’s books can be tricked into rtvik theory and they in such a way they become useless new age christians. But if you read all Prabhupada’s quotes on this topic, rtvik theory doesn’t make sense at all:
For example, one of the main argument is that Prabhupada said he will live in his books, therefore we don’t need initiation from a living guru. But, check this out:
This book, Nectar of Devotion, Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, if you read regularly, try to understand, this means you are associating with Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī directly. And if you act accordingly, then you are serving their lotus feet. Tāṅdera caraṇa-sevi-bhakta-sane vāsa. And unless you are associated with devotees, you will not be able to understand the import of the writings of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī. (Nectar of Devotion Date: Oct. 20, 1972 Location: Vṛndāvana)
If we follow this logic, then we can take initiation directly from Rupa Goswami, since he also lives in his book.
This is another quote that you will never hear from rtviks, which completely defeats their whole philosophy:
Prabhupada: So far designation is concerned, the spiritual master authorizes every one of his disciples. But it is up to the disciple to carry out the order, able to carry out or not. It is not that spiritual master is partial, he designates one and rejects other. He may do that. If the other is not qualified, he can do that. But actually his intention is not like that. He wants that each and every one of his disciple become as powerful as he is or more than that. That is his desire. Just like father wants every son to be as qualified or more qualified than the father. But it is up to the student or the son to raise himself to that standard.
> Atreya Rishi: Yes, I understand.
> Prabhupada: If you are incapable of raising yourself to the standard of becoming spiritual master, that is not your spiritual master’s fault; that is your fault. He wants, just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, amara ajnaya guru hana [Cc. Madhya 7.128], By My order, every one of you become a guru. If one cannot carry out the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, then how he can become a guru? The first qualification is that he must be able to carry out the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Then he becomes guru. So that carrying out the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu depends on one’s personal capacity. Amara ajnaya guru hana. (Room Conversation, 29 June 1972, San Diego)
And it doesn’t get more direct that this:
Every student is expected to become Acarya. Acarya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples. …Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual Master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy. (Letter to Tusta Krsna, 2 Dec. 1975)