Rtvik theory – a faith system for unintelligent peasantsHanuman das
- Rtvik theory – a faith system for unintelligent peasants
- Srila Prabhupada’s last will doesn’t prove rtvik speculation
Stop sending me stupid questions, ok?
Haribol Dandavat Pranams,
I am just wondering how you can possibly think that ritivk is not legitimate.
This statement of HDG Srila Prabhupada in his final will states
“The executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of death or failure to act for any reason of any o( the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is my initiated disciple following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my books, and provided that there are never less than three (3) or more than five (5) executive directors acting at one time.”
I don’t see any room to refute this statement and this would hold up in any legal case.
Please prove this wrong. But you can’t you see because how can there any more temple directors in Iskcon then thus whole Iskcon is refuted then we have Hanuman bikini bar.
I am using my brain and I am reading Srila Prabhupada’s books.
Srila Prabhupada described how parampara works many times in his books.
In all his books, lectures, conversations, and letters, Srila Prabhupada never said “I will continue to initiate people after I leave this world”. That would be a very important and significant instruction. But Srila Prabhupada never gave such instructions in the thousands and thousands of pages. And Srila Prabhupada always spoke very openly and very directly.
So, people who believe in rtvik theory are usually illiterate people or people with low intelligence who can’t study thousands of pages and understand how parampara works.
So, when I see that Srila Prabhupada described hundreds of times how sampradaya works, and then I see some indirect evidence, I am tending to lean on the side which Srila Prabhupada repeated hundreds of times.
If I want to become rtvik, I have to ignore hundreds of quotes by Srila Prabhupada where he said his disciples will become gurus. So, rtvikism is just for illiterate peasants, who didn’t study any number of quotes which completely contradict rtvik theory:
Prabhupada: So far designation is concerned, the spiritual master authorizes every one of his disciples. But it is up to the disciple to carry out the order, able to carry out or not. It is not that spiritual master is partial, he designates one and rejects other. He may do that. If the other is not qualified, he can do that. But actually his intention is not like that. He wants that each and every one of his disciple become as powerful as he is or more than that. That is his desire. Just like father wants every son to be as qualified or more qualified than the father. But it is up to the student or the son to raise himself to that standard.
Atreya Rishi: Yes, I understand.
Prabhupada: If you are incapable of raising yourself to the standard of becoming spiritual master, that is not your spiritual master’s fault; that is your fault. He wants, just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, amara ajnaya guru hana [Cc. Madhya 7.128], By My order, every one of you become a guru. If one cannot carry out the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, then how he can become a guru? The first qualification is that he must be able to carry out the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Then he becomes guru. So that carrying out the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu depends on one’s personal capacity. Amara ajnaya guru hana. (Room Conversation, 29 June 1972, San Diego)
Mohsin Hassan: You have ten swamis. And outside of swamis, what’s the lower…
Prabhupāda: Now, they’re competent. They can, not only the swamis, even the gṛhasthas, they are called dāsa adhikārī, and brahmacārīs, everyone can, whoever is initiated, he is competent to make disciples. But as a matter of etiquette they do not do so in the presence of their spiritual master. This is the etiquette. Otherwise, they are competent. They can make disciples and spread. (Room Conversation — July 18, 1971, Detroit)
Every student is expected to become Acarya. Acarya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples. …Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual Master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy. (Letter to Tusta Krsna, 2 Dec. 1975)
But just because I understand parampara, that doesn’t mean that I blindly accept ISKCON’s licensed puppy guru theology, which is just another deviation.
Rtvik theology is for unintelligent peasants, and ISKCON is for people who enjoy living in an unenlightened Gestapo society.
ys Hanuman das