Puranjana das and the tale of karma vacuum-cleaner guru tattvaHanuman das
Puranjana das, aka Tim Lee, benefited the world by presenting the vacuum-cleaner guru tattva.
Rtviks belong to Neo-Christian sahajiya apa-sampradaya. Their teachings revolve around retards who perform a lot of sins. And then somebody needs to “absorb their sins”. This is usually Jesus, but in this case, it’s Prabhupada. Only Jesus and Prabhupada are able to absolve sins, everybody else is “neophyte”. 🤣🤣🤣 If neophyte tries to absolve sins, then he gets sick or goes crazy. 🤣🤣🤣 And to conclude, neophytes should not initiate anybody, because they will “fall down” or “die from taking karma”.
So, main rtvik templar Puranjana das sometimes produces articles where he comments to my articles, and how I am misunderstanding karma. So, in his yesterday’s post, he writes:
Yes, Hanuman Croatia says that we conditioned souls should be taking karma as diksha gurus, including GBC people and even guys like Bhakta Das and Kailash chandra. Yep, any church janitor who sweeps the floor in the Church can then take the post of messiah and be the next Jesus — and absorb sins.
Then, when his conditioned souls gurus keep getting sick, falling down, going insane, and even dying from taking karma, Hanuman has no idea what causes that? They are commiting a crime, they are suffering, but they have no idea what is the crime, or how this process works. Kailash Chandra and Rocana keep saying the same thing, we need to have “the disciples of Prabhupada” (us neophytes) taking the post of diksha guru. Its not working is it?
OK, Hanuman has helped along causing this suffering by his encouraging these neophytes to take sins. He is directly involved in helping this bad karma process. Yet Hanuman is correct, most people cannot understand why Hanuman’s false gurus are being punished? He is encouraging people to commit a crime, then he wonders why they are being punished?
So, in one of my previous articles, I wrote that all Srila Prabhupada’s disciples who are his faithful followers have the right to initiate disciples. And this is not my opinion, this is directly confirmed by Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada says:
Mohsin Hassan: You have ten swamis. And outside of swamis, what’s the lower…
Prabhupāda: Now, they’re competent. They can, not only the swamis, even the gṛhasthas, they are called dāsa adhikārī, and brahmacārīs, everyone can, whoever is initiated, he is competent to make disciples. But as a matter of etiquette they do not do so in the presence of their spiritual master. This is the etiquette. Otherwise, they are competent. They can make disciples and spread. (Room Conversation — July 18, 1971, Detroit)
Now, Puranjana das is directly contradicting Prabhupada, While Srila Prabhupada says “everyone who is initiated is competent to make disciples”, Puranaja claims that “Nobody who is initiated is competent to make disciples, because he is a neophyte who can’t absorb the sins of their disciples. Only Jesus and Prabhupada can initiate.” We don’t find this neo-Christian sin-absorption philosophy anywhere in Srila Prabhupada’s books.
Puranajana imagines that the main role of the guru is to absorb sins. So, a guru is like a karma vacuum-cleaner. The whole point of getting initiated is that guru vacuum-cleans your karma. And then guru falls down because he is a neophyte. 🤣🤣🤣 Now, I’ve seen some pretty dumb philosophies amongst Srila Prabhupada’s followers, but this is the one of the dumbest.
🤣🤣🤣 Guru’s main duty is not to vacuum clean karma, neither Krishna wants to see that guru suffers because of the karma of his disciples. The main role of guru is to give transcendental knowledge. People lead a sinful life because they are in ignorance, just “absorbing their sins” will not change anything, since they will remain retarded and continue to perform sins. So, the main role of a guru is to give transcendental knowledge. Therefore, the first verse that we learn regarding the position of the guru is:
cakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena
tasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ
I was born in the darkest ignorance, and my spiritual master opened my eyes with the torch of knowledge. I offer my respectful obeisances unto him.
But according to rtvik neo-Christians, this verse would be like this:
karma unmīlitaṁ yena
neophyte śrī-gurave namaḥ
I was born with a ton of karma, and my spiritual master vacuum cleaned it all. I offer my respectful obeisances unto him, although he is a neophyte.
So, Srila Prabhupada wrote hundreds of pages about the position of the guru and about the relationship between the guru and the disciple. He was talking about transcendental knowledge of the guru, he was talking about the perfect behavior of the guru. And the fact that guru absorbs sins of his disciples was mentioned only a few times.
So, if we concentrate too much on Neo-Christian sin absorption nonsense, we will never be able to develop real knowledge and stop making new sins. Puranjana continues:
At the same time, Srila Prabhupada told us that Jesus is still accepting the sins of his sincere followers. Thus, even the Christians know that only pure devotees can absolve the sins of other conditioned souls. Other conditioned souls, if not falling down neophytes, can NOT absorb our sins. Hanuman Croatia says that when a neophyte devotee worships a pure devotee that is “the bogus Christian idea” and we have to worship other neophytes instead.
That means he is blocking people from access to worship of the pure, and having their sins absolved. Worse, that means he is loading up sins on conditioned souls posing as gurus, which means they then have to suffer.]
This is complete nonsense. First of all, Srila Prabhupada never said: “that Jesus is still accepting the sins of his sincere followers.” This is a Neo-Christian imagination. If you are a sincere follower of Jesus, then, why would you sin? Srila Prabhupada mentions Christian sin-absorption idea, but he was not very fond of it. He especially disliked the idea of repentance and committing the sins again.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Whenever we meet the Christians, they always say that “It doesn’t matter because Jesus came to save us from our sins. So now it doesn’t matter because we’re saved.”
Prabhupāda: Then Jesus is a fool, and he has taken contract to suffer, and these people are free to commit sin.
Dharmādhyakṣa: Jesus actually said…
Prabhupāda: And they are so clever that they can make God’s son also fool. Over-clever. (Room conversation, June 22, 1975)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He says, “Did Jesus die on the cross to redeem all the sins of the world?”
Prabhupāda: This is another sinful thought—Jesus has taken the contract for ridding your sinful activities. That’s a plea, what is called plea for the sinners, that they will continue acting sinfully, and Christ will take the contract to counteract. This is the most sinful conviction. Instead of stopping sinful activities, we have given a contract to Jesus Christ to counteract it. (Room conversation, April 2, 1977)
This is the real philosophy of Krishna consciousness, stopping sinful activities, but Puranjana is talking all the time about sin absorption, which is just another cheating philosophy of Kali-yuga.
Nursery school level philosophy
The whole website of Puranjana das revolves around Jesus sin absorption, this is mentioned in almost every article. Thus, this website becomes boring very quickly.
It is very childish to assume that Krishna would allow his pure devotees to suffer the karma of their disciples. Krishna removes that karma from a guru.
Furthermore, we see many people do terrible crimes and sinful activities and they don’t die or get sick prematurely.
The greatest defeat of Puranjana’s philosophy can be seen in Radhanath Swami. He was involved in the murder of Sulocana, he has the biggest number of disciples in ISKCON (except Jayapataka). To add further to the insult, he preaches mayavada philosophy. Did he die? Did he get sick? Did he go insane? No, he didn’t.
So, Puranjana’s neophyte karma-absorption philosophy can’t be proved anywhere.
So, then, why did so many ISKCON gurus fell down? The answer is very simple, they become puffed up with false prestige, they started thinking that they are smarter than Prabhupada, they started preaching weird philosophies and thus they lost the protection of Srila Prabhupada and thus, the Maya cut them down.
Here is another example. If children are playing in the sandbox, and one child starts acting as a diksa guru and “gives initiation” to another child, who pretends to be a disciple, will the karma really be transferred from child-disciple to child-guru? Of course not.
So, real transfer of sinful activities is possible only if a guru is bonafide and a disciple is bonafide. Guru is bonafide when he follows his own guru, and disciple is bonafide when he interested to receive the transcendental knowledge.
So, in the ISKCON circus performance where corporately approved guru “gives initiation” to his corporate disciple, this initiation is fake and there is no transfer of karma. Because so-called diksa-guru is just a corporate officer who signed gag-order to “never criticize the leadership”. And he can’t speak the Absolute Truth. And the disciple is a corporate retard who is not interested in reading Srila Prabhupada’s books and who just needs a new fancy name. So, if a guru can not speak openly and freely, and if a disciple is not interested in Srila Prabhupada’s books, then what is the value of such initiation? It is just a show similar to children playing in the sandbox. There is no karma transfer because the whole thing is bogus.
And as time goes, ISKCON corporate initiation is getting worse and worse, now disciples have 5th regulative principle to promise, that is to “Never leave ISKCON”. I mean, it doesn’t get any more retarded than that.
Radhe Radhe Japa Kapo
So, right after he wrote an article about my lack of understanding of karma, Puranjana publishes some stupid Bollywood song:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Did you ever hear Srila Prabhupada sing this song? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Puranjana will probably get sick and die from absorbing all the karma from Acharya Mridul Krishnan Sastri.
I am interested in only one thing? Does acarya Mridul have a real mustache? And is his hair done in India, or in America?
Or maybe the only way to get rid of our sins is to listen “Radhe, Radhe, Japa Karo”. Following the footsteps of Radhe Radhe acarya Puranjana das, I will also publish Radhe Radhe Japa Karo video and get myself free of all my bad karma.