Not so sincereHanuman das
You are probably wondering why I disabled my newest video next morning after I uploaded it. Read below.
Next morning after I uploaded my video, I find shocking statement by BB Govinda Swami on my facebook wall that he doesn’t have apartment in Rasamrta Kunj.
Well, I definitely want to run genuine website, and falsely accusing people of things that they didn’t do will definitely not please Srila Prabhupada. On the other side, all my spies are reliable initiated ISKCON devotees, they have absolutely no reason to lie. Anyway, I decided to do a deep background check of the whole situation in Rasamrta Kunj in the next 48 hours, so I decided to disable video in it’s peak time. Better to lose some views than to falsely accuse people.
BB Govinda Swami further confirmed on the chat the same thing he said publicly, that he doesn’t own apartment in Rasamrta Kunj.
Well, two devotees came to my mind immediately who could confirm BB Goswami’s story. As a experienced investigator, I want to know who is the real owner of the apartment that BB Govinda Swami stayed in. It’s not enough to say “It isn’t mine.”, because my next question is always “Then who is the real owner of the apartment you stayed in?”. BB Govinda Swami claims that actual owner is “Hungarian society for Krishna consciousness” (aka Sivarama Swami), that should be easy to confirm. Let’s ask Sivarama Swami and Vraja Kumar, the main manager of Rasamrta Kunj.
White Marble silence (my email to Sivarama Swami)
Message-ID: <CAHEdfkF6DK=n-5Yv89ZeD5iH-c3XpwO45wEa-3BiPV-GGfuEnA@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:32:22 +0000 Subject: Rasamrta kunj - 2nd floor of Talavana building From: Hanuman das To: Svami Sivarama <srs108@****.com> Cc: BB Govinda Swami <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Dear Sivarama Swami,
please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Dear Manjari, if you are still handling email of Sivarama Swami, I hope you are pretty as usual and that you are getting along nicely with the Swami, I can’t help myself but to send you two quotes by Srila Prabhupada regarding sannyasis and female secretaries:
Then this is a hint by Lord Caitanya that a sannyāsī who has renounced everything, if he lives very gorgeously, with good dress, and good house, and apartment… No. This is not approved by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Then what is that? What does it mean? A sannyāsī living like a first-class gentleman, smoking, and very nice apartment, and some, I mean to say, lady assistant, secretary… What is this? Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not approve. He must be, as far as possible… Whatever is absolutely necessity, he should accept, not more. Yes. That is renounced order of life, not that in the name of renounced order of life he should live at the expense of the householders, very gorgeously. No. This is not sannyāsa. It is not accepted by Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s sampradāya. (Lecture CC 20.66-96, New York, November 21, 1966)
In the name of religion you do all nonsense rascaldom, and if the leader approves, “Yes, you can do.” Vivekananda did it. Vivekananda did it. “Yes, there is no difference between eating meat and not meating eat in terms of religious system.” He preached this, and all the sannyāsīs of Ramakrishna Mission, they eat meat, they drink, they have WOMAN SECRETARY, and everything. This Chinmayananda also like that. I know his whole history. Unless one is purely Kṛṣṇa conscious, one cannot give up ALL THESE BAD HABITS. This is the test. (Morning walk — April 24, 1974, Hyderabad)
Please pass those two quotes to Maharaja together with my greetings, and tell him I would like him to comment on those quotes if that humble request is not too offensive.
Now, back to topic.
Yesterday, I made documentary about BB Govinda Swami apartments in Mayapur and Vrindavan. My sources from Mayapur tell me that Sivarama Swami has in possession half of the second floor in Talavana building (Rasamrta Kunj), and that BB Govinda Swami has the other half of second floor.
However, BB Govinda Swami now claims that he doesn’t possess anything in the Talavana building and that Hungarian yatra has all 4 apartments on second floor. I disabled my video about BB Govinda Swami immediately and now I am trying to figure out who is the real owner of second half of second floor in Talavana building. I am not interested in legal ownership, I am interested in the factual ownership.
This small secondary investigation should last no more than 48 hours, so I was hoping that before this deadline, you could enlighten me about who controls and manages second floor of Talavana building in Rasamrta Kunj.
Sivarama Swami response
[No response received]
Now, this is the moment where I get very suspicious. Why Sivarama Swami, who is best friend of BB Govinda Swami wouldn’t lend a helping hand and help BB Govinda to get out of this mess. If BB Govinda Swami is really not owner of any apartments in Rasamrta Kunj, and if all apartments in second floor are owned by hungarian yatra, what is the problem for Sivarama Swami to confirm this.
So, at this point is, I still don’t know who is the factual owner of apartment where BB Govinda Swami stayed. Let’s try Vraja Kumar.
My first email to Vraja Kumar
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 07:59:32 +0000 Subject: possesion of apartments in Talavana building From: Hanuman das To: Vraja Kumar Das <email@example.com> Cc: BB Govinda Swami <firstname.lastname@example.org>, email@example.com
Dear Vraja Kumar prabhu,
please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I am making series of videos about sannyasis who took possession of apartments in Talavana building of Ramarta Kunj. I just disabled my video about BB Govinda Swami since he claims he is not in possession of these apartments.
Since you are main manager of Rasamrta Kunj, you are often guiding prospective buyers into the property and explaining to them benefits of living in Rasamrta Kunj.
As one of the benefits you describe is good association, you list resident sannyasis who have apartments there.
Would you be so kind to list the sannyasis who are in possession of apartments on first and second floor of Talavana building. There are 6 apartments on the first floor and 6 apartments on the second floor. That is usual setup, but I heard that 2 apartments are joined on the second floor to make them bigger. That was done twice, so we have two big apartments and two smaller apartments on the second floor.
I already have the list supplied by devotees, and I want to compare it with your list.
Since this is not labor intensive task, I expect reply within 48 hours, if I don’t get reply, I will ask Jayapataka Swami to help me with obtaining this list.
Final clarification, I am interested in both legal ownership and possession of apartments, but my main focus on possession. In other words, owner of apartment can be Donald Duck, but if certain Swami is exclusively using this apartment, this is what I want to know.
One important warning, if I get any non-cooperation from your side, that means you are hiding something. I will put BB Govinda Swami’s video back online and it will be your fault. Because you were the one who initially spread this information. As soon as I get silence as a reply, I know you are hiding something and I will continue with my videos. So, please be honest and open. Life of a sannyasis is open book as Srila Prabhupada used to say.
Vraja Kumar’s response
Received: by 10.176.93.44 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:56:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAHEdfkEaJy7+rSPQN-V=Ah_B8jsPFBpfmDTb+zMmGT0T85MMEA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAHEdfkEaJy7+rSPQN-V=Ah_B8jsPFBpfmDTb+zMmGT0T85MMEA@mail.gmail.com> From: Vraja Kumar Das <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:26:49 +0530 Message-ID: <CAGjKuLqxrSWA8UDaD=+MggGwFk_6kQuq8R=_8hQK8tD9CmCB-Q@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: possesion of apartments in Talavana building To: Hanuman das Cc: BB Govinda Swami <email@example.com>, Jayapataka Maharaj <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Information you received from your sources is not correct.
There are no resident sannyasis at Rasamrita Kunj and there are no sannyasis who are in possession of apartments at Rasamrita Kunj. Whenever they visit they visit as the guests of other individuals/entities who own apartments legally.
I am not in a position to provide you with information regarding legal status of the apartments and their owners. This is the policy of any real estate development company.
We allocated few apartments for visiting guests and these apartments are our own property kept with the company. If some Maharajas stayed there for few weeks does not make them as owners of the apartments.
As your article cited BB Govinda Swami it should be known that he owns nothing here and has visited once.
I hope it helps.
Yours in genuine service to Srila Prabhupada and his mission,
Vraja Kumara dasa
My second email to Vraja Kumar das
In-Reply-To: <CAGjKuLqxrSWA8UDaD=+MggGwFk_6kQuq8R=_8hQK8tD9CmCB-Q@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAHEdfkG7kXsLuPU2ViVO-DkKLwNpJV9iZUyFcrrbKB_XQ=k59A@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 21:33:51 +0000 Subject: Re: possesion of apartments in Talavana building From: Hanuman das To: Vraja Kumar Das <email@example.com> Cc: BB Govinda Swami <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Jayapataka Maharaj <email@example.com>
Dear Vraja Kumara Prabhu,
please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
You didn’t answer my main question.
I am not interested in legal ownership, I am interested in factual ownership. Sannyasis life is an open book. There should be nothing to hide.
So, I am asking again, who is the factual owner of the apartment where BB Goswami stayed. Let me translate that question for you. Who invited BB Goswami to stay in this apartment and who is managing and controlling this apartment.That is the factual owner.
In the Talavana building, there are 4 apartments in the second floor and 6 apartments on the first floor. As far as I understand, whole top floor is purchased by hungarian yatra.
There are 6 apartments on the first floor. How many of these are “your own property kept with the company”. Actually, I don’t see anything wrong if you allow sannyasi to stay in the apartment owned by you. That is similar root room renting. But if a sannyasi always stays in the same apartment and nobody else uses the apartment in the meantime, then I will start developing doubts again, because that again constitutes exclusive, private usage.
So, I will go to each sannyasi who has an apartment there and he will have to lie to me or stay silent, in which case I will know that there is something wrong going on.
So, Subhag Swami has apartment in that building, apartment was purchased for him by his disciple. Bhakti Caitanya Swami has two apartments there.
So, for now, I am asking again, who is the factual owner of apartment where BB Goswami stayed? You don’t want to tell me? ok, I will re enable video I made because my sources in Mayapur are initiated devotees who chant 16 rounds and they have absolutely no reason to lie. So, if they are telling me that BB Goswami has apartment there, and you are telling me nothing about that apartment, then I will take their version of the story.
Prabhupada is not fake sannyasi who produced other fake sannyasis who live in luxury apartments made out of white marble. In case BB govinda Swami is not the owner, tell me who is the owner of the apartment he stayed in.
ys Hanuman das
Vraja Kumara responds for the second time
From: Vraja Kumar Das <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:59:48 +0530 Message-ID: <CAGjKuLo+vEfaM4_SyiSTRHLEt9Rq8JLK3Fk1ysbP7HOxq=KHXA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: possesion of apartments in Talavana building To: Hanuman das Cc: BB Govinda Swami <email@example.com>, Jayapataka Maharaj <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Did you read my previous email?
BB Govinda Swami jumps in
Subject: Re: possesion of apartments in Talavana building From: BB Govinda Swami <email@example.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) In-Reply-To: <CAHEdfkG7kXsLuPU2ViVO-DkKLwNpJV9iZUyFcrrbKB_XQ=k59A@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:02:47 +0300 Cc: Vraja Kumar Das <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Jayapataka Maharaj <email@example.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <CAF5B965-1932-49FB-A007-C0B35212AD6D@gmail.com> To: Hanuman das
Please accept my humble obeisances.
As I’ve mentioned before I possess nothing in Mayapur Dhāma.
BB Govinda Swami
Sent from my iPhone
At this point, I still don’t know who is the owner of apartment that BB Govinda Swami stayed in. BB Govinda Swami claims that whole second floor is owned by hungarian yatra, but both Sivarama Swami and Vraja Kumara failed to confirm this simple fact. One thing I know, Vraja Kumara is lying when he says then no sannyasis are factual owners of any apartments in Talavana building. Sivarama Swami is definitely factual owner through hungarian yatra, and he was giving detailed instructions to Vraja Kumara how to decorate his apartment. Sivarama Swami even has marble bed in his apartment. Subhag Swami and Bhakti Caitanya Swami are also owners of apartments. So, Vraja Kumara is lying, only question is if he is lying regarding BB Govinda Swami also. Well, he didn’t give me the info I wanted, I wanted to know who is the owner of the apartment that BB Goswami stayed in.
BB Goswami said that owner is “Hungarian yatra”, but “Hungarian yatra” (aka Sivarama Swami) is staying silent.
My spy in Mayapur is not crazy person who is living in parallel universe, he provided me a lot of info, I can not disclose everything, but here are some parts:
Hanuman: Sivarama Swami is obviously guilty, I got that confirmed from multiple sides.
X das: and my answer to this is YES!!! because everyone knows here which are BB Goswami’s apartments. They are trying to fool you Prabhu. Of this there is no doubt!
X das: Sivarama Swami and BB Govinda Swami purchased them together the whole floor and customized it for themselves to live as neighbors.
X das: I have personally nothing against BB Govinda Swami. Though I noticed somethings he was doing not so good. Once he had a young female singer (I think his disciple) sing on the stage and he sat next to her and played kartals. I can confirm one thing Prabhu. I knew that BB Govinda Swami has apartments at Rasamrta Kunj even before BB Govinda Swami visited Mayapur. I knew this info first and then I saw BB Govinda Swami in Mayapur. Also why would Vraja Kumara lie about others? At least he should say that BB was a guest here but some other sannyasis like SNS, BCAIS, Devamrita Swami, Subhag Swami have apartments there.
X das: Everyone in Mayapur knows Sivarama Swami exclusively owns his apartments. for his exclusive use. NO ONE can deny this!
BB Govinda Swami is hard to prove as when was here, I didn’t go to his apt. as he left immediately after GBC meetings and he was only meeting his disciples and friends at his place so outsiders weren’t allowed.
But the other side belongs BB Govinda Swami. He has a huge open space for Kirtans.
X das: BB Govinda Swami himself says in his video that he now has a place at RK. He does have apartment here. And no one else uses it when he is not here. So if anyone says contradicting these statements is surely lying.
Only way to confirm who is lying and who is telling the truth was to contact actual resident of Rasamrta Kunj who could independently confirm if BB Govinda Swami really has apartment there.
Somebody who is sincere simple devotee and who doesn’t know much about politics. If I am not able to obtain separate confirmation, who will believe my anonymous spy against BB Govinda’s Swami’s word.
Soon, I obtained whatsapp phone number of plain Rasamrta Kunj resident who is not crooked in any way. Evening was approaching in India, I had just a half hour left to finalize my investigation:
Second confirmation comes from another resident who lives in Rasamrt Kunj, also through whatsapp.
Lying sannyasi tattva ki jay !!! :joy: