Minister approves transexual pujaris

Anal is being pushed in ISKCON in an undercover fashion, but it is increasing gradually, after I posted yesterday about anal harinam video which was published on official ISKCON page, a huge debate ensued on facebook. My website was visited by 800 devotees just yesterday, so, people are interested to know the real truth. Truth which you will not get through official channels.

New ISKCON ideology is that there is nothing wrong in being gay, it is just one of many wrong identifications, just like all other material identification. So, pious brahmana who is living a pure life and still somewhat identifies with the body is on the same level as someone practicing anal lila, that is new ISKCON ideology. Pious brahmana and anal practicioner are both equally in illusion. And if you don’t agree that ISKCON should publish anal harinam videos on their official page, then you are “offender”. Well, that’s good, better to be offender than anal offender.

And we must post anal harinams on our official ISKCON’s web pages to show how “modern” we are. And we all pray to Krishna that general public never discovers all the things our founder acarya said about gays.

Jayatīrtha: Ordained priests, they have left and gone off to marry or whatever. Especially they are concerned that they can't marry. Catholic priests are not allowed to marry.
Prabhupāda: Marrying? They are marrying man to man ,what to speak of marrying. Sodomy.
Jayatīrtha: So that's the alternative. Either they're leaving or they're marrying man to man.
Prabhupāda: Homosex. They are supporting homosex. So degraded, and still they say, "What we have done?" They do not know what is degradation, and they are priest. They are teaching others. They do not know what is the meaning of degradation. (Morning Walk Conversation, September 28, 1972, Los Angeles)

Ouch, you ain’t gonna never hear this quote from any “senior preacher”.

Just like Christians, they have misinterpreted: "Kill means murder. It is meant for man." That means they are making their own lusty desires fulfilled in the name of Bible, that's all. Everyone is doing like that. They are changing. Mass opinion is now homosex. They are passing abortion. They are passing... What is this? This is their business. For fulfillment of their lusty desires and greediness, they are bringing the authority of Bible, Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on in the name of religion. (Morning Walk, May 11, 1975, Perth)

WOW!

Paramahaṁsa: They also have that "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
Prabhupāda: Yes. And they are very expert in doing that. That is advanced civilization. Now they are marrying man to man and accepting homosex, so what is the value now of this priestly class?

As you can see, both from Srimad Bhagavatam and from Prabhupada’s statements, homosex is never comparable to grhasta astama, although both include people who are somewhat lusty, they are not on the same level. Grhasta having sex with his wife and having children is more elevated level of life than homosexual according to vedic tradition. Homosexual tendency is called demoniac, but grhasta living with his wife and having children is never called demoniac. Homosexual life is condemned by Prabhupada and vedic scriptures, this very important point you will be forced to forget in politically correct, spineless jelly ISKCON.

Transexual pujaris in ISKCON

To see how leaders are weak when it comes to anal tattva penetration in ISKCON, we will demonstrate the case of transexual pujari we had in Zagreb (Croatia) two years ago.

My email to ISKCON Deity worship minister

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:22:17 +0100
Message-ID: <CAHEdfkHgUSS97ZO5GEspsygzk2Ddo+Krh4YWauxtRqZfbdEpgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: deity worship standards
From: Hanuman das
To: Nrsimha Kavaca <nkd.dwm@gmail.com>
Cc: Isvara Puri das <isvara.puri.sns@gmail.com>

Dear Nrisimha Kavaca prabhu,

please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Here in temple Zagreb, we have person who undergone so called sex change operation. This person is worshiping Gaura-Nitai as main pujari on certain days of the week, even on sunday feast.

I would like to raise case against that, but I am told by the temple authorities that you approved this. Due to this fact, our Sunday feast looks like “gay pride” and I mentioned this to one ISKCON sanyassi who told me that this is not proper and not based on sastra.

So, could you please give me confirmation that you given this decision and rationale behind it.

your servant, Hanuman das

P.S - I was given your email by Isvara Puri prabhu, temple board member, he also told me that you have given this decision to Sundarananda prabhu from temple Zagreb.

Deity Worship minister’s stance on transexual pujaris

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 08:36:33 +1100
From: Nrsimha Kavaca ISKCON <nrsimha.kavaca@iskcon.org>
To: Hanuman das
Cc: Isvara Puri das <isvara.puri.sns@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.545d3b62.41b71efb.e9@nkds-air.gateway>
In-Reply-To: <CAHEdfkHgUSS97ZO5GEspsygzk2Ddo+Krh4YWauxtRqZfbdEpgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHEdfkHgUSS97ZO5GEspsygzk2Ddo+Krh4YWauxtRqZfbdEpgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: deity worship standards

Dear Hanuman prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Thank you for your letter.

Here in temple Zagreb, we have person who undergone so called sex change operation. This person is worshiping Gaura-Nitai as main pujari on certain days of the week, even on sunday feast.

I would like to raise case against that, but I am told by the temple authorities that you approved this. Due to this fact, our Sunday feast looks like “gay pride” and I mentioned this to one ISKCON sanyassi who told me that this is not proper and not based on sastra.

Did the respected sannyasi give you any scriptural references to support that it was not appropriate to have a person who has had a sex change worshiping the deities? There are instances in sastra of persons who had a sex change functioning within Varnasrama, Sikhandi for instance was a ksatriya and fought at Kuruksetra.

So, could you please give me confirmation that you given this decision and rationale behind it.

The reality is that we are confused about our actually identity and think we are the body. The fact that someone has had a sex change is further evidence of how confused some people are.

The criteria for worshiping the deity is following the four regulative principles, chanting 16 rounds of Hare Krsna maha mantra daily and pancarartrika gayatri diksa. If there are any references in scripture, or from Srila Prabhupada that indicate having a sex change prohibits one from doing such service then please provide it. I am always willing to chnage my view.

Chanting the holy names and performing devotional service is the only thing that can help a jiva to overcome the false bodily concept of life. How can we isolate a conditioned soul from the only thing that can help them to return to their original consciousness?

However, one thing I would suggest to the management of the Zagreb temple, is that if devotees are sensitive about this devotee being on the altar, that he not do any public service, particularly during the Sunday feast. Better not to stir things up. Let him serve quietly in the background.

Your servant, Nrsimha Kavaca

Counter arguments

Since minister already advised us against publicly displaying transexual girl in dhoti on sunday feast, I didn’t want to press this issue further, but his general idea is “Transexual pujaris are ok, but don’t display them publicly if that will create stir. If devotees appreciate transexuals, and no stir will be created, then it is ok to display transexual girl in dhoti who is trying to grow mustache using hormones.”

However, I did prepare refutal of his email, which I never sent to him, but I will post here:

YOUR POINT 1. scriptural references to support that it was not appropriate to have a person who has had a sex change worshiping the deities?

Our first and foremost claim is that it is not possible to change sex by eating hormones and having surgery. This is speculation. Rather than having us to quote where sastra says it is not appropriate, they should prove from sastra that sex can be changed by hormones and operation. This is not possible to prove from sastra.

Therefore, this person is still woman and if she wants to go to altar, she should follow dress code explained in Pancaranta Pradipa: When worshiping Deities and when cooking, women should be dressed in a sari, with their heads covered. They should not use perfume and should part their hair in the middle and braid it or tie it in a bun. PP 1.7: Vaisnava Dress (vastra-paridhana)

YOUR POINT 2. There are instances in sastra of persons who had a sex change functioning within Varnasrama, Sikhandi for instance was a ksatriya and fought at Kuruksetra.

Our claim is that sex change performed by ascetic power is real sex change, and includes person being able to conceive child or become pregnant in this changed sex, while sex change performed by surgery and hormones is fake and demoniac.

All instances of sex change mentioned in the sastra are based on spiritual power of person, they are not cosmetic changes done through surgery and hormones.

On the side, we would like to add that this is very dangerous way of thinking: “Krishna and higher authorities made a mistake and gave me wrong body. Therefore, I am more powerful and smarter than Krishna and I will fix their mistake. I am ultimate authority who will fix that mistake by modern medicine.”

YOUR POINT 3. If there are any references in scripture, or from Srila Prabhupada that indicate having a sex change prohibits one from doing such service then please provide it.

Rather that having us to prove that deviation is specifically mentioned in the sastra, they should prove that their deviation is rational and justified by sastra. For example, if I want to put 10 posters of Batman inside temple room, where did Srila Prabhupada specifically forbade pictures of Batman. Such quote doesn’t exist. Does it prove that I am right and I should be allowed to do that? No, it proves that I don’t understand sastra.


Detailed explanation:

Claim is that medical science is so powerful that it can change sex, can be defeated by medical science it self. If body with changed sex is found after 100 years and DNA test is performed, DNA will show that this was woman body.

Mundane sex change is just like attempt building staircase to heaven. The attempt itself is demoniac because it goes against standard procedures implemented by Supreme Lord. Going to heaven is possible only by the power of rsis or doing yajnas and acting according to dharma. Similarly, sex change is possible only through ascetic power of others, or after we leave this body.

So, which ever way you go about in proving that mundane surgery and hormones sex change should be recognized, you loose:

  1. If you go by pushing medical side, then you are defeated by DNA test.
  2. If you go through sastra, all sastric sex changes are performed by spiritual power in such a way that person can conceive child or become pregnant in new gender. Therefore all those quotes are irrelevant.

Once we accept that sex change is not possible by artificial means, then we are left with Pancaratna Pradipa rule for women which was already quoted at the beginning.

You also mentioned: Chanting the holy names and performing devotional service is the only thing that can help a jiva to overcome the false bodily concept of life. How can we isolate a conditioned soul from the only thing that can help them to return to their original consciousness?

We are not isolating anybody, but devotional service must be performed according to proper standards, otherwise if we act whimsically and call that devotional service, that will not be helpful. But this person will not accept to wear sari, therefore this sex operation is more important to her than worship, and by this way of thinking, she is effectively removing herself from the altar.

Possible counter quotes defeated:

It is said that by modern medical treatment a male can be transformed into a female, and a female into a male. (SB 9.1.33p)

“It is said” is a synonym for “rumor”, something rumored and supposed (http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/said) .

“It is said” is passive voice which is used to avoid specifying authority: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word

SP did not confirmed it or denied it…but presented it as something hypothetical.

Srila Prabhupada: (To an aspiring disciple considering a transsexual operation.) “First of all, you decide whether you are male or female, then be one or the other. Then, you may enter our temple anytime you like. But sometimes man, sometimes woman, that is not proper. Such awkward things cannot be allowed. It will be disturbing to others. Anyway, continue to chant Hare Krsna as much as possible.” (Letter, June 10, 1975)

It is not known that Srila Prabhupada ever initiated transexual person and gave her a name according to the “new gender”, what to speak about brahminical initiation and permission to worship temple Deities.

Transexual fallacy

Even members of meat eating religions understand that sex change operations are fake and should not be recognized as valid. Then, why in ISKCON we have such a problem?

DISCLAIMER: Members of Prabhupada’s movement don’t share Ben Sharipo’s stance on contraception which he exposed at the end of video.

History of Zagreb’s transexual pujari

Once upon a time, there was african tribal chief who gave speeches on gay events. Here is his speech from 1993:

Exact name of the event where he spoke is “March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation”, details on this march can be here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Lesbian,_Gay_and_Bi_Equal_Rights_and_Liberation

Tribal chief somehow became guru in ISKCON, and he initiated a girl who already “changed” her sex into male, and named her Bhagavat das. I will reserve my privilege to call her Bhagavati devi dasi since I don’t buy into transexual nonsense. That girl started living with another girl and become pujari in ISKCON temple Zagreb.

This article originally appeared on Lasting Impression website


Previous posts on topic(s) Anal tattva:


Contact Me

Follow Me