Destination – lying-lokaHanuman das
DON’T GO TO LYING LOKA, IT’S A SCARY PLACE
My letter to Prahladananda Swami
This article and video is connected with my previous post, see here: http://lastingimpression.info/lying_diksa_guru/
Here I describe the details of Ramesh tour in Croatia, can you imagine the load on my spy network to extract all this information. There is a real gold mine of information in my email if you are genuine follower of Srila Prabhupada who is willing to clean up nonsense. My letter is reproduced in full, nothing is removed or added.
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 06:29:21 +0000 Subject: open letter - persecution in Croatia From: Hanuman das To: "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com> Cc: Bhakti-bhusana Swami <Bhakti-bhusana.Swami@pamho.net>, "Badrinarayan Swami (San Diego - US)" <Badrinarayan.Swami@pamho.net>, Basu Ghosh Das <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Dear Prahlananda Swami,
please accept my humble obisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I am writing you since you are GBC for Croatia.
In recent weeks, I have proved beyond reasonable doubt that Sacinandana Swami is follower of Ramesh baba since at least 2013, probably even earlier. I have video proof including Ramesh baba appearing on Sacinanandana Swami’s vyasa-puja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9GWlo1qpU
I also proved beyond reasonable doubt that Sacinandana Swami’s disciples organised Balkans tour in 2016 for Brajraj Sharan, prominent follower of Ramesh baba. Tour was as follows:
3rd January 2016. – Brajraj Sharan arrived in Ljubljana, Slovenia
4th-05th January 2016 – Zagreb, Croatia. Spend the night in apartment of Gaura Govinda das (disciple of Sacinandana “Swami”), croatian organiser of Yoga is Music program. Program was given in Supersoul sect called “Evening of varshana bhajans and “lilas”. One of the leaders of Supersoul sect is Sundarananda das (disciple of Sacinandana “Swami”).
6th-9th January 2016 – Sarajevo, Bosnia. Varshana bhajans and lilas in houses and apartments of ISKCON devotees.
8th January 2016 – Sarajevo, 3 hour nama yajna at ISKCON temple. Between the bhajans, Brajraj Sharan was talking about “pastimes”. First he was invited to sing only mana-mantra, but then on the program devotees asked to sign other bhajans, and in between, he was talking about Krishna.
Whole tour was organised by Madayanti dd (disciple of Sacinandana “Swami”) who has a managerial position in 50th anniversary celebrations.
There are plenty of witnesses mentioned, including whole ISKCON Sarajevo temple.
After I exposed this information, I was banned from coming to the temple by Ramesh followers in the temple board, namely Isvara Puri (SNS) and Govinda-nanda (SNS).
So, dear Prahladananda Swami, I plead to you, as GBC for Croatia, who is managerial representative of Srila Prabhupada, to reverse this decision.
Did we really reach the stage in which we persecute ISKCON members for exposing Ramesh sahajiya nonsense? How will this help to preserve Srila Prabhupada’s legacy?
I will keep this open letter private for the next 48 hours so see if we can reach some kind of agreement. I would like you to correct this injustice. Don’t send me to meet with temple board, I don’t negotiate with Ramesh followers.
Most amazing response the world have even seen
Watch carefully, this is direct reply on above email above by Prahladananda Swami. I did not modify his letter in any way.
Received: by mail.pamho.net (COM 3.89.6); Thu, 12 May 2016 17:40:09 +0200 Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 18:29 +0300 From: Prahladananda Swami <Prahladananda.Swami@pamho.net> To: "Hanuman (das) SDHS (Zagreb - HR)" <Hanuman.SDHS@pamho.net> Cc: "Badrinarayan Swami (San Diego - US)" <Badrinarayan.Swami@pamho.net>, Bhakti-bhusana Swami <Bhakti-bhusana.Swami@pamho.net>, Basu Ghosh Das <email@example.com> Subject: open letter - persecution in Croatia X-Mailer: COM 3.89.6 X-Com-Textno: PAMHO28779125 Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Dear Hanuman prabhu,
Please accept my greetings and the blessings of Lord Krishna. All glories
to Srila Prabhupada!
> I will keep this open letter private for the next 48 hours so see if we
> can reach some kind of agreement. I would like you to correct this
> injustice. Don’t send me to meet with temple board, I don’t negotiate with
> Ramesh followers.
Thank you for your letter. The Sannyasa Ministry also have concerns that
ISKCON follows purely the message that Srila Prabhupada gave us and which he
personally demonstrated during his manifested presence with us.
As I have written to you before, Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita (BG
17.15) mention truthfulness as a quality of speach in the mode of goodness,
but also mentions that speech should be pleasing, usefulness, scriptural,
and which doesn’t agitate the minds of others. Your approach seems to
emphasized the quality of truthfulness, which though important, may not
always be the most effective by itself.
I assure you that when I receive useful information from you, I take it
seriously and try to do something about it. However, I may have a different
approach than you, which may not always be so public.
How the some devotees and temples react to your efforts to serve Srila
Prabhupada and the mission of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, perhaps could be
taken by you as an indication to modify your approach to purifying the
movement and its senior members.
Hope all is well.
Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
HE DIDN’T SAY ONE WORD ABOUT RAMESH BABA, HE DIDN’T INVESTIGATE ANYTHING, IT WAS A COMPLETE COVER UP, AND LATER HE SAID THAT THERE WAS NO RAMESH TOUR AND HE DIDN’T GIVE A SINGLE LECTURE AGAINST RAMESH BABA.
Additional arguments by Patita Pavana das on facebook
I’m not intending to get involved in discussing further issues besides this fact that Braj Raj Sharan’s visit hasn’t been orchestrated by ISKCON officials, but by people and a group that is outside of the jurisdiction of GBC and claims to be independent. Thus, I showed that Hanuman’s “evidences” pertaining to GBC supporting Ramesh’s presence in Croatia are invalid or better to say, nonexistent, and his claim that Prahladananda swami is lying has been refuted. Hanuman seems to be the one who is lying due to many untrue information he gave in this discussion (like reasons for his ban. etc) and due to his being non-perceptible to rational reasoning, information and arguments (which is the only way how I can connect to another person in textual communication) I am leaving the discussion. Due to what I ahve explained, true has been served and given available to the reader. That is sufficient. HK.
My reply on facebook
Patita-pavana Das, you got exact guru as you deserved. Lying guru – lying disciple.
Now let me remind you about that FACTS, this will be added to my website tomorrow to further clarify the situation.
FACT 1: As Ramesh baba poison started to spread in 2013, but culminated in January and April 2016, when we had two visits by Brajraj Sharan. All of that was cooked up by Sacinandana Swami and his disciples.
FACT 2: Many people in first half of 2016 were coming both to official ISKCON temple and Sundarananda’s sahajiya dream society.
FACT 3: This period was perfect opportunity to dismantle Ramesh baba tattva and to explain the real truth to the people.
FACT 4: You were completely silent on the Ramesh baba issue, you never mentioned it on any lecture.
FACT 5: Your lying diksa guru remained silent, he never gave any lecture or public statement about difference between sahajiya Ramesh baba and genuine devotee.
FACT 6: Crooked members of the ISKCON Zagreb temple: Suvarna Bindu, Ishwara Poore Baba and Gobind Nund baba never said a word on any lecture about problems of following sahajiyas, although Srila Prabhupada was very clear on the issue.
FACT 7: I would give lecture on Ramesh baba on this issue, but I couldn’t because I was not allowed to give lectures.
FACT 8: Because everybody was silent, on April 29, 2016 I published my video which clearly delineates difference between Ramesh baba and genuine devotees.
FACT 9: Sahajiya Sacinandana Swami called Gobind Nund baba and told him to ban me because of my video.
FACT 10: Gobind Nund and Ishwara Pooree banned me on May 3rd 2016.
FACT 11: Your fake sahajiya ISKCON temple is now emptied out, and all people went to Sundarananda’s sahajiya side because temple board and lying diksa guru failed to explain the real truth about Ramesh baba for the benefit of all.
FACT 12: Now, you are trying to sell me this ridiculous story that Brajraj “was not in the temple” and therefore none of this is Prahladananda Swami’s fault. And none of this is temple boards fault. Shame on you.
This is your fairy tale: While people were coming to both Zagreb temple and Sundarananda’s sahajiya heaven, we were all quiet about Ramesh deviation. But somehow, although we didn’t explain the truth to the people, people failed to understand the truth. Only Hanuman tried to explain what is going on but we squashed him. Because truth should not be explained in lectures, truth should enter your mind through your nose. That is your theory.
And because you failed to explain the truth, now you have empty temple, and I will drag your guru around the whole internet until the last mouse in ISKCON Cambodia temple understands that he is fake.
Full post where this discussion took place.
Resources used in this video:
- Previous article with Prahladananda Swami’s letter
- My first video about Ramesh baba that got me banned – Sahajiya flirt
- My second video about Ramesh baba and Sacinandana Swami
- Ping pong acarya playing ping pong
- Sannyasi with a girlfriend
- Email from Ramesh temple board where they ban me
- Facebook post where I discuss with Patita Pavana das.
- Ramesh in Croatia, first video
- Ramesh in Croatia, second video
- Ramesh in Croatia, third video