ISKCON’s “senior cheater” tattvaHanuman das
Are ISKCON’s fake gurus the only one to blame for cheating people? Of course not. To have symbiotic relationships, you need fake gurus, fake “senior devotees” and stupid followers who don’t have any intelligence and are lazy to read Prabhupada’s books. Those three components make ISKCON complete.
Today, we will look at the second component, “senior cheater”. Those are the ones who are “preaching”, and bringing fake followers who are to be initiated by fake gurus. “Senior cheaters” are also often in managerial positions, which they use to invite sannyasis and their girlfriends and kick out from ISKCON anybody who doesn’t agree that sannyasis can travel with their girlfriends for example. I was kicked from ISKCON for that very reason.
The whole point of all his emails is that I need to desist from speaking the truth and I need to stop exposing the cheater gurus. If I continue to expose fake gurus, I am doing “vaisnava aparadha”. As if vaisnava is a cheater. Let’s check it out.
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 12:58:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Hanuman Chalisa <email@example.com> To: "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com> Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Please read carefully
— Criticizing Vaishnavas: Good or Bad? —
Once, some devotees were sent to establish a preaching center in Bengal. They worked day and night, equipping it as a beautiful temple. When Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati arrived to install the Deities, he was very pleased and asked about one brahmacari who had worked hard on the preparations. The disciples told him, “Master, he became entangled with a lady. We rebuked him so much for his behavior that he fled from this place.”
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta replied, “I don’t want to establish a preaching center here, nor do I want to install the Deities. In this world we spend hundreds of gallons of blood to bring a person out of the clutches of maya. If that person makes some mistake, it will be washed away by his serving Hari, Guru, and Vaisnavas, but you have chastised him and he has gone away. I don’t want to make a center here. Search for him and bring him to me; otherwise I will go away.”
The anxious disciples began to search for that brahmacari. Madhava Maharaja, who at that time was named Hayagriva Brahmacari, found the errant brahmacari, apologized, and asked him to return.
The brahmacari wept, saying, “I was serving here, in a watch company, but I was not really happy. I wanted to return, but I was thinking, ‘How can I show my face?’ So I did not return.” He at once went running and weeping to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, thinking him more merciful than Krishna Himself, and all his anarthas were washed away in a moment.
Bhaktisiddhanta told his disciples, “The purport is that we should not criticize anyone, whether a devotee or a worldly person.” Then he quoted below verses:
na praśaṁsen na garhayet
viśvam ekātmakaṁ paśyan
prakṛtyā puruṣeṇa ca
yaḥ praśaṁsati nindati
sa āśu bhraśyate svārthād
The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: “One should neither praise nor criticize the conditioned nature and activities of other persons. Rather, one should see this world as simply the combination of material nature and the enjoying souls, all based on the Absolute Truth. Whoever indulges in praising or criticizing the qualities and behavior of others will quickly become deviated from his own best interest by his entanglement in illusory dualities.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.28.1-2)
Bhaktisiddhanta continued: “To bring a person from the clutches of maya is very, very hard. If lust or any other attachment is present in that person’s heart it will go away very soon, if he is chanting and remembering and listening to Hari-katha. Be very careful. Don’t criticize devotees or non-devotees. First look at your own condition, and try to purify yourself. Is there any lust in you? Is there any kutinati (deceit) in you, or not? Be worried for that; don’t worry for others. Sri Guru and Lord Sri Krishna are responsible for others. You cannot do anything to help them, so you have no right to criticize.”
— From Life and teachings of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur—
My reply to first email
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:18:08 +0200 References: <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> In-Reply-To: <email@example.com> Message-ID: <CAHEdfkHgA+Oyj-xBV3RAbrD=rq2oVQ9Ji_gktmaOisyRerJKNA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Please read carefully From: Hanuman das <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: Hanuman Chalisa <email@example.com>
I am not criticising vaisnavas, only cheaters. You obviously have problems distinguishing between the two if you are sending me this email. Therefore I would say that by sending me this emails you are actually trying to protect deviations.
And you obviously don’t know anything about Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, his life, or his biography if you are sending me quotes like this.
Bhaktisiddhanta spend majority of his life smashing deviations and fake devotees as real guru should do:
A chanter of Hari-kirtana is necessarily the uncompromising enemy of worldliness and hypocrisy. It is his constant function to dispel all misconceptions by preaching the truth in its most unambiguous form, without any consideration of person, place, or time. The form to be adopted is that which is least likely to be misunderstood. It is his bounden duty to clearly and frankly oppose any person who tries to deceive and harm himself and others by misrepresenting the truth, whether due to malice or genuine misunderstanding.
This will be possible if the chanter of kirtana is always prepared to submit to being trodden upon by thoughtless people, if such discomfort will enable him to benefit his persecutors by chanting of the truth in the most unambiguous manner.
If he is unwilling or afraid of considerations of self-respect or personal discomfort to chant kirtana under all circumstances, he is unfit to be a preacher of the absolute truth.
Humility implies perfect submission to the truth and no sympathy for untruth. Those who entertain any partiality for untruth are unfit to chant Hari-kirtana. Any clinging to untruth is opposed to the principle of humility born of absolute submission to the truth. (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, Harmonist 26.249-50 – Apr 1929)
Second email with my reply inline
Message-ID: <CAHEdfkFo8J8cSs4L52uhk2WG+a3TAHk8E2QyFA4tpQ6CH_vnEg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: The True Spirit of Preaching From: Hanuman das <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: Hanuman Chalisa <email@example.com>
You have the slightest realisation of the quotes you have shared of srila bhakti siddhanta saraswati thakur
You talk as if what you speak is absolute truth.
You are in a big illusion.
You are also in illusion. You are in such a big illusion that you are writing anonymous emails as a coward who is not able to write his real name.
Where do you live? How old are you? How long have you been practicing Krishna consciousness?
Do you really think I will accept advice from anonymous coward?
Your activities are most displeasing to Lord krishna and Srila Prabhupada.
Krishna is spelled with capital K. You are illiterate, you have no idea who Prabhupada was and what was his philosophy. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be embarrassed when cheaters are exposed and you wouldn’t defend them.
Answer the questions
Are you a pure devotee.??
Anonymous coward is giving me orders? 😀 😀 😀 Hilarious.
Do I need to be pure devotee to see that sannyasis can’t have female secretaries? 😀 😀 😀 You are pathetic.
What is your level of spiritual realisation.
My level of spiritual realisation is big enough to understand that sannyasis can’t play ping pong with girls and be gurus at the same time.
OK. Mr. Let’s assume all Gurus in ISKCON are cheaters. What next.
You become that pure devotee sanyasi which you expect Gurus to be.
I never said all ISKCON gurus are cheaters, only some of them.
Yea, you become pure devotee first, in other words “Shut up, and be humble”. Do I need to be pure devotee and guru to expose all these cheaters? I have to tolerate sannyasis with girlfriends until I become guru? Where are you getting your philosophy from? Not from Prabhupada’s books for sure.
You are supporting liars and cheaters by trying to silence the opposition. Therefore, you are not Prabhupada’s man, you are cheater.
I am sure you the reason for what you are doing is to please srila prabhupada and to create a revolution and spread krishna consciousness.
This should be your objective. To be become fully krishna conscious yourself and make others fully krishna conscious. Right
Take some advice.
You preach to 1000’s of devotees and train them up into amazing preachers.
Devotees trained by you should be exemplary I guess.
That is the way forward.
You preach and create those pure devotee preachers who wil spread krishna consciousness all over the world.
That is what I am doing, I am preaching real Krishna consciousness and devotees are gradually understanding how they are being cheated.
Come on hanuman das. If you have the true spirit of a vaishnava and if you are a true follower of srila saraswati thakur and Srila prabhupada then take up this approach. Then hats off to you. All prayers n blessings.
Leave aside all the current ISKCON devotees and Gurus. ISKCON devotees are a minority. Come on preach n make as many millions n billions of new people pure devotees of krishna.
You wrote Krishna without capital letter again. Are you doing this on purpose? You sound like mayavadi, and you surely capitalize like a mayavadi.
So, you want to me to preach only “outside” of ISKCON. I see your point now. In other words, fake gurus should continue with their cheating and take their followers to sahajiya-loka, but I should preach to “new people” so that current devotees can be further fooled by guys like you and sannyasis who think that we will save the world by wearing jeans. I wonder how did you came up with this strategy?
Let’s do it like this. You go outside of ISKCON, and you preach to “new people” how it is essential to cheat everybody and how we should never actually preach what is in Prabhupada’s books within Prabhupada’s movement. You preach to “new people” how ISKCON should remain cheating organisation without anybody challenging them.
Then, when you make a new army of millions and billions of brainless, cheated followers, you can easily help ISKCON to survive in the current shape.
Seeing your shining example the current struggling devotees will get spiritual strength.
This is already happening. Many people are reading Prabhupada’s books and then seeing “strange things” in ISKCON. For example, they read in Prabhupada’s books that pure devotee is engaged in devotional service 24 hours per day, they know Prabhupada was exactly like that and then they see ISKCON “pure devotees” rafting, playing basketball, playing tennis. Then there is big question mark above their head. But they don’t see anybody preaching against ISKCON’s fake “pure devotees” so they are not sure if they are right or not. But once they come to my website, they can see that they are not the only ones who are “seeing things”.
And please, don’t write me anymore letters, slimeballs like you can never stop the revolution.
ys Hanuman das