God-given rejection of nonsenseHanuman das
Today, one of my participants in weekly zoom meetings informed me that he joined Vaisnava Foundation.
He got kicked out of my Lasting Impression Facebook group. Here is my line of thought on the subject.
Every living entity has the freedom to join a certain group or organization according to his or her intelligence. If we speak about Krishna consciousness, some people join ISKCON, some join Gaudiya-math, some join Rtviks. Some people even join Ramesh baba or Gaurahari sahajiya. Some people join Vaisnava foundation, some people are joining the Lasting Impression movement.
I encourage everybody to listen to whatever lectures they want and I also encourage them to visit whatever websites they want. It is actually good for honest Srila Prabhupada’s followers to listen to all kinds pseudo-Vaisnava philosophies and discuss them, this is the way to sharpen our minds and our power of discrimination.
However, once somebody decides to join an organization that holds extremely twisted philosophical views, we have a problem.
God-given rejection of nonsense
I don’t mind anybody joining any organization they want. And I don’t mind anybody joining my zoom meetings. However, my humble request to everybody is that you don’t do it at the same time.
I feel the need to distance myself from the deviant people, and I can not pretend that everything is ok with them.
So, if somebody wants to join the Vaisnava foundation, attend their weekly meetings, I am ok with that, but just don’t join my meetings at the same time. Because I will look as I am supporter or favorable toward Vainava foundation, which I am not.
Of course, if after few months, you are not happy with Vaisnava foundations, you are welcome to come back.
This is actually my greatest concern for ISKCON. I don’t see senior members of ISKCON distancing themselves from deviants like Radhanath baba and Sacinandana “loverboy” Swami. This is the very reason I consider the whole ISKCON to be a corrupt organization.
So, I don’t want to be like that, I don’t want to be seen associating with lazies and crazies as Srila Prabhupada used to call them.
The case of Vaisnava foundation
Chemtrails, Lizards, and other nonsense
The leader of the Vaisnava foundation is a believer in outrageous conspiracy theories, he claims that very soon, Google and Facebook will make a pact with ISKCON, and together, they will censor all ISKCON opposition. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Listen to this video from 45:57
So, the story at 46 minute of this video goes like this: ISKCON enforcers will marry “technocrats” who control Facebook and Google. Technocrats will require ISKCON enforcers to make compromises in Krishna consciousness, such as female diksa guru, and in return, ISKCON enforcers will request technocrats to suppress whistleblowers. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Really? There are only a couple of small problems in this logic. First, ISKCON is insignificant and doesn’t have any influence on anything. How come that Christians, who are fully compromised didn’t lay in bed with technocrats? How is possible that technocrats did suppress whistleblowers who expose Christianity. The whole theory is utterly ridiculous. But hey, don’t disagree with Kailasa Candra Maharaja, you will get kicked out.
Kailasa Candra’s society – just an ISKCON Gestapo clone
Once upon a time, before this hilarious video came out, somebody mentioned that Kailasa Candra has weekly meetings. I wanted to join it. I even listened part of one meeting, which sounded strange, but then, an email request came through before I can join:
From: "Ernest Draš" <email@example.com> In-Reply-To: <CAHEdfkHQ__9xN1V9B=EajpPGesrh6raDBhHs8pu72qROBVMQng@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 20:39:05 +0100 Cc: "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com>
Hare Krishna Hanuman prabhu
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
In yesterday’s weekly conference we had a discussion about Vedic names. Kailasa prabhu once again made us aware of Srila Prabhupada’s letter to Upendra (24th June, 1970):
“The devotees who are trying to join our movement may be called by some Vedic name, but ultimately change of name will take place after first initiation. In the meantime there is no harm in calling them by some suitable good names.”
In accordance to this statement, some of the VF members have accepted a Vedic name, some didn’t. The difference between such a Vedic name and the name one receives after the initiation is that the name before initiation is without the tag “das”.
In your previous messages to us you implied that you do not consider the initiation you received from an “ISKCON” guru as bona-fide, which means that you are not actually initiated. In that sense Kailasa prabhu would like you to consider his advice that you abandon the tag “das” in your Vedic name and just keep Hanuman. Thank you for your consideration.
This is my first problem, in the 21st century, it so damn hard to join Skype meeting. It looks to me that it would be easier to join UN than Kailasa Candra’s meeting. My understanding of initiation from Srila Prabhupada’s books is that it is only a formal confirmation of an already existing relationship, so I replied.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 11:43:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Possible Segue From: Hanuman das <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: "Ernest Draš" <email@example.com> Cc: "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com>
Hare Krishna Ernest,
thank you for your email.
Since I was not present at yesterday’s meeting, I am not familiar with the arguments used to support this idea. I already wrote many articles on the guru tattva and diksa on my website. I was already confronted with similar arguments from ISKCON people. They additionally claimed that I should not be called Hanuman at all.
My thoughts on the subject are as follows:
In the Srimad Bhagavatam, Bali Maharaja rejected to follow the instructions of his materialistic guru who told him not to give anything to Vamana. We don’t see anywhere in the verses or purports that he was called bhakta Bali after he made that decision.
Similarly, Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s main teacher was Jagannath das Babaji, although he was initiated by Bipin Bihari Goswami. But we don’t see any evidence that he was called bhakta Bhaktivinoda after he made the switch.
Initiation is just a formality, nevertheless, devotees go through this formality. After the formality is complete, we shouldn’t bother with it again.
In any case, a true connection with a guru is established through the transfer of Absolute Truth, not through a formal ceremony.
What is the value of diksa initiation if you didn’t receive the absolute truth? Not much.
When a marriage ceremony is performed, usually the wife takes the last name of the husband, but this is not always the case. A wife is judged through her service to the husband and whether she is faithful or not, not through her last name.
Rejecting the initiated names naturally brings us to the discussion of reinitiation. I am not a supporter of reinitiation because it is just replacing one formality with another and making things even more superficial.
I am don’t see a point in discussing how everybody should be called, is it Mister X, X das, X prabhu or bhakta X. Obviously, it is not my name that will make me advanced. Obviously, formality is always secondary, but by bothering with formality, reversing the formality is also a waste of time.
Our lineage which is given in the Bhagavad-gita is a siksa lineage since gurus are connected through philosophy and instructions, not through initiation. But nevertheless, all those gurus were initiated by someone.
I can understand that Kailasa Candra prabhu wants to make his movement standardized and that either everybody should be initiated or nobody should be initiated.
From my discussion with Kailasa Candra through email, I can understand that he is not inclined to give diksa initiation since Srila Prabhupada didn’t give him direct instruction to do so. However, if he abolishes diksa completely from his parampara, other sampradayas might find this to be non-bonafide behavior.
Furthermore, it directly contradicts some of Srila Prabhupada instructions where he says that every disciple can initiate after guru leaves:
Every student is expected to become Acarya. Acarya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples. …Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual Master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. (Letter to Tusta Krsna, 2 Dec. 1975)
ys Hanuman das
And Finally, I get an email from the “Maharaja” himself:
From: Mark Goodwin <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 07:46:51 -0600 Message-ID: <CAKmwcBmhLZ5HEvAoTRSnbTe0TZ89wJtQbqPZj+eC8iZUoHO8JA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: VF Resolutions To: Hanuman das <email@example.com>
Please accept my respects. Hare Krishna.
Your e-mail reply of 11-23-20 to Bhakta Ernest was quite discouraging. It was certainly defiant. It may have been (covertly?) hostile even. It required a response, obviously.
After receiving a copy of it, I pondered the next best step. I concluded that all the VF Members should read it, and it accordingly was shot off to all of them. I invited feedback. Here are some of the descriptions that were contained in those e-mails and phone calls, that feedback: “disgusting” “obtuse” “an insult” “100% false ego” “he wants your eminence” “he wants cheap fame from followers” “hypocrisy” “burning need to demonstrate that he is initiated” “shocking” “insolent” “a challenge” “hurts my brain to read it,” etc.
All of the feedback was negative. This required another step. As such, during our next weekly VF Conference Call of last Saturday, your situation was discussed, particularly in terms of your above-mentioned e-mail. It was discussed threadbare from many angles. Accordingly, three resolutions were passed. They were passed either unanimously (the final one) or overwhelmingly, i.e., with one “nay” vote. These VF resolutions are as follows:
1) The VF, both collectively and individually (its members) now breaks any connection with you;
2) This fact will not remain hidden, i.e., you will be informed of it;
3) You will not be simply informed via an an, two-sentence sayonara update, i.e., it will be explained to you.
Thus this e-mail from myself. You may consider that it is not inimical, although you may find it disappointing.
This is what you get for claiming that initiation is a formality and that rejecting initiation is just another formality.
Kailasa Candra continues:
We can no longer have an affiliation with you for the following reasons:
1) You are hostile to us–at bare minimum, subconsciously;
2) You have insinuated that I am creating a line that does not recognize the importance of diksha:
3) You have wrongly compared your situation to that of Vipin Bihari and the Thakura;
4) You have the “ISKCON” bija still working strongly within you;
5) You responded inappropriately to a respectful e-mail from Bhakta Ernest;
6) The advice rendered to you in said e-mail him was backed by logic and authoritative references, which you rejected;
7) As aforementioned, your status and alleged commitment was supposed to be far beyond that of a VF Ally.
This should cover it. We now go busto. Hopefully, you will not be disturbed by that. This is not a communique meant to create an enemy, but you are no longer eligible to be even a VF Ally.
Kailasa Candra dasa
See, exactly the same process as in ISKCON. No debate, no rational arguments, only Gestapo resolutions. At this point, I am wondering what is the difference between ISKCON and Kailasa Candra.
So, if you want to be a believer in Vaisnava Foundation, you have to believe the following:
- All ISKCON gurus are not gurus. They are cheaters and their initiation is bogus.
- The only bonafide disciple of Srila Prabhupada is Kailasa Candra, but he is, unfortunately, he is not giving initiations.
- So, ISKCON gurus give bogus initiations, Kailasa Candra is not giving initiations, but If you insinuate that Kailasa Candra does not recognize the importance of diksha, you are out of his “line”.
So, ISKCON people are religious formalists, at the core of their philosophy is a Christian idea that by receiving initiation from ISKCON guru, you are “saved”, just like in the Christian baptism. On the contrary, Srila Prabhupada explains that initiation is worthless if you don’t actually receive transcendental knowledge from the guru.
Kailasa Candra is also a religious formalist because he believes that ISKCON initiation is the “work of the devil” and if you were ever initiated in ISKCON, you have to reject this initiation otherwise you are going to hell.
Both ideas are ridiculous.
Both ISKCON people and Kailasa Candra actually display mayavadi tendencies. A mayavadi way of thinking is that all living entities are created in batches: “I and my followers have to think in exactly the same way, we are all one.” If you think differently from me, even a 1% difference, you will be kicked out. Both ISKCON and Kailasa Candra are trying to create mental clones that think in a 100% same way as their master.
If we want to make progress on the path of Krishna consciousness, we have to understand that Krishna created all living entities differently. This is His supreme power. Thus, no two living entities will think in the exactly same way. Therefore, religious leaders must understand that there will never be a time where everybody will think in the exactly same way.
Instead of being happy that people chant Hare Krishna and read Srila Prabhupada’s books, Gestapo authorities always want to make everybody think exactly as their being told, which will never be possible.
The great decoupling
I personally don’t want to be associated with anti-intellectual foundations, individuals, or organizations. And I expect people who attend my weekly meetings to be rational, to understand that nobody will ever agree with you on 100% of philosophical topics. So, fundamentalist rtviks, Vaisnava foundation members, ISKCON GBC blind believers, none of those people are welcome to my weekly meetings. They are simply boring people, they can discuss philosophy amongst themselves.