4th category of a devotee – Girlfriend uttama-adhikari

4th category of a devotee – Girlfriend uttama-adhikari

Here is my response to very offensive video which was made about my website. I tried to make it serious, but I couldn’t.

CLAIM: So, my dear friends and listeners to this video, let me tell you something abou this quite contaminating and bad posts and youtube clips about Hisd Holiness Sacinandana Swami.

REPLY: What is contaminating and bad post? I also published some quotes in which Prabhupada says sannyasis can’t have female secretary.

CLAIM: I myself know Sacinandana Swami now for 25 year,  and I can guarantee that he is far beyond of having a romance in the way like it is described here in the internet. The only romance he really has is with Krishna and this romance he has really absolutely deep. I personally don’t know one person who is that much attached to really see other persons understand the philosophy of Krishna consciousness, to really see the people chant the Holly name, he is really attached to this.

REPLY: If he has only romance with Krishna, then why is he travelling with an unmarried girl although he is sannyasi. So, if you really have romance with Krishna, then you are following Krishna’s instructions. Krishna said in the Bhaghavad-gita that he created four varnas and four asramas. Krishna never said that sannyasis can have female secretaries. When Krishna personally came 500 years ago as Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he also took sannyas to show by his example how real devotee behaves. Did Caitanya Mahaprabhu traveled with a female secretary? No, he didn’t so, if you have romance with Krishna, then you should follow his example. Did Bhaktisiddhanta travel with female secretary? No, he didn’t? Did Prabhupada travel with female secretary? No, he didn’t. Do, if you really love Krishna, if you really love Prabhupada, then you will follow their instruction, and you will not try to make circus out of their movement.

CLAIM: Now if you criticise His Holiness Sacinandana Swami like this it is actually almost a same thing like you would criticise Ramananda Raya for his activities which you can’t read in Caitanya Caritamrta. And aside of Ramananda Raya now, I was with Sacinandana Swami often in a room, for example I remember one  happening which took place in Cologne, Germany where he was with a top model in a room I had to be in the room as brahmacari because indeed it is the standard that a sannyasi should not be alone with a woman in one room. However, when this woman was leaving he was really jumping to the window to open the window because the perfume was just too much in the room and he really did not like that.

REPLY: Ramanda Raya was not a sannyasis, and Prabhupada said that behaviour of  Ramananda Raya is not possible for anybody else, Prabhupada says:

Because there was no question of personal sense gratification when Śrī Rāmānanda Rāya was serving the girls, his mind was steady and his body untransformed. This is not to be imitated, nor is such a mentality possible for anyone but Śrī Rāmānanda Rāya, as Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu will explain. The example of Śrī Rāmānanda Rāya is certainly unique. The author of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta has given this description because in perfect devotional service one can attain such a position. Nevertheless, one must understand this subject very seriously and never attempt to imitate such activities. (CC Antya 5.20p)

CLAIM: I mean if you really stand close to Sacinandana Swami and see his subtle body, I don’t know if you ever did that, if you stood close to Sacinandana Swami and  see his spiritual vibration, it is incredibly clear that this person has nothing to do with projections which criticizers throw on him. And even if you would see all the 27 qualities of a devotee, of a vaisnava in Sacinandana Swami, and this incident I remember from John Lennon’s question to Srila Prabhupada who said: “What is now if a devotee is not clean or is not artistic, which are to mention two qualities of those 27 qualities , how we have to see that? When asked, Srila Prabhupada  if a devote does not manifest all those qualities. To this, Srila Prabhupada replied, that even a devotee might not have all this 27 qualities, if he is attached to Krishna, then this is the main quality from which we can see the advancement of a devotee.

Same argument, they claim that Sacinandana Swami is attached to Krishna, and in the same time breaking the rules set by Krishna and his pure devotee Srila Prabhupada.

CLAIM: And dear listeners, I can really say you, that regarding attachment to Krishna, His Holliness Sacinandana Swami is beating us all, he is so incredibly attached. And especially he is attached to really, as I said, let other people understand the philosophy or really wants so much that people finally chant  the Hare Krishna maha mantra.

RESPONSE: Please see video

CLAIM: So, dear folks, please stay away from this kind of criticism if you don’t want to destroy your own spiritual life and I hope this might help a little bit for those who are visiting these pages and don’t know his Holiness Sacinandana Swami that good. Hare Krishna.

RESPONSE: Please see video

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Original video: https://youtu.be/c26PwCsLk0M

 

  • Lloyd McKay

    Sahajiyas have no standing.

    • Timothy Ryan

      I wonder how Gunagrahi was cured of his problem of compulsive self abuse. Seeing he admitted to having that problem all his devotional life?

  • Bhakta Stone

    I have no future foretelling crystal ball at my disposal.
    But…
    This video is straight from the ISKCON playbook of what to do when obvious and credible questions are raised about one of their leaders or gurus.
    A person who wanders about, blindfolded by a willful ignorance of the standards set by our Sampradaya, (typically a disciple or a longtime sycophant whose comfortable position within ISKCON is dependent upon maintaining the status quo) will be trotted out to make some bold sounding testimony regarding the spiritual purity and the elevated nature of the individual in question.
    And then…
    Sometime thereafter, some glaring scandal becomes exposed and everyone who ignored the issue at hand are left scratching their heads and wringing their hands while wondering how and why this thing has just happened.
    I quite sincerely and very truly hope such a thing does not happen.
    But I would stay tuned.
    40 years of experience advises me that this story has yet to meet its conclusion…

  • Vaidyanath

    So far there are 103 fallen sannyasis, 45 fallen gurus, so the inhibition threshold for fall-down is lowered, people have become used to it, are callous now. Formerly there was a great shock when for example Bhagavan and Ramesvara left. Now when recently Prabhavishnu fell down some devotees even laughed. Similar phenomenon with Umapati and Gunagrahi. (“Gunagrahi Swami Admits Pornography Addiction”). So problem is that such a movement has no more any right of residence in the West, from spiritual point has sunken in meaninglessness. Of course there are lots of buildings and properties so what will happen is that leaders are quarreling who should own these buildings? There was a large group of German disciples of Sacinandana Swami who got together and decided to quit being his disciples. Why this was never made public?

    • Hrvoje Marjanovic

      Somebody somewhere decided to prop Sacinandana baba as “pure devotee” despite his girlfriend. No matter the cost. And the cost is only going to get higher and higher.

      Due to presenting cheater as a pure devotee, whole GBC body is now implicated and losing credibility.

      And it is only going to get worse.

      • Vaidyanath

        seems Gunagrahi was recently reinstated?

        From: “Ananda Tirtha das (GBC Corresponding Secretary)”

        Date: 11 December 2017 at 10:54:41 GMT-3
        Subject: Gunagrahi Maharaja

        Dear Maha Hari Prabhu,
        Please accept my humble obeisances.
        All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

        During the recent GBC Midterm General Meetings, the GBC voted to reconfirm
        Gunagrahi Maharaja as an ISKCON sannyasi.

        This letter is to officially inform you of this so you can communicate it to
        those devotees whom it affects.

        Hare Krishna.
        Your servant,
        Ananda Tirtha das

    • Hrvoje Marjanovic

      And one more thing, there are no fallen gurus, those people were never real gurus in the first place. Guru never falls down.

      • Vaidyanath

        agreed, we should not push Prabhupada’s nose into that idea of having appointed people to sit on Srila Vyasadeva’s seat who were not gurus in the first place and fell down left and right…

    • PrabhupadaDisciple

      Who are these German disciples of Sacinananda Swami who quit together?


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