“Doing a lot” guru tattva

“Doing a lot” guru tattva

Here is another classic example of what happens when people who are inspired by Srila Prabhupada’s books discover my website. They start sharing the good news.

However, since ISKCON caliphate doesn’t approve criticizing pure nonsense, such people very quickly discover that it will not be easy to share the bliss of discovering my website.

Here is another letter from a devotee who found inspiration on my website, my replies are included below.

Hare Krishna,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

I have shown your videos/articles to some close friends who are serious devotees to make them aware of the situation in ISKCON. Whilst they agree with many of your points and agree that there are deviations happening, they put points forward such as:
Even though gurus like Sacinandana, Radhanath, etc are not pure devotees and they won’t choose them as their gurus, but still they are getting people to chant. One friend said, “They have made more people to become chant/become devotees, etc than I ever can so I can’t criticize them. They still have many good qualities”.

I would say this is good enough for an average member of the ISKCON. If people are able to understand that Sacinandana Swami and his protector Radhanath Swami are not pure devotees and that they will not accept them as gurus, this is great.

“They have made more people chant”, that is true. But the goal of this movement is not to make people chant without considering the cost. Preaching mayavadi philosophy to get people to chant is counter-productive.

Many people “have made people chant”. Mayavadi Krishna das, who said that he doesn’t believe Krishna is a person is also making people chant. But that kind of chanting is poisonous.

Sahajiya Shyam das was also chanting Radhanarani’s names, but he was not proper devotee from the perspective of Srila Prabhupada’s books.

So, Srila Prabhupada brought us the complete Krishna consciousness and he wrote many books about the subject. The goal is not only to chant, but also to understand how to live our life. We also need to have knowledge so that we are able to recognize dangers on the path of devotional service.

One of the dangers that can prevent us from advancing spiritually is loose relationships with the opposite sex. But how can Sacinandana baba save us from such relationship when he himself is a sannyasi with a girlfriend. Since he has an improper relationship with a woman, how will he be able to teach his disciples to have proper relationships? That is not possible.

And that, “maybe Radhanath swami associating with mayavadis or famous influential people because it’s his preaching strategy” or something like that.

I am very skeptical about preaching mayavada. Because that is a philosophy that Srila Prabhupada preached against. So, practically any nonsense can be justified by saying “new preaching strategy”, but Srila Prabhupada told us not to deviate an inch from the methods that he established, 1974 March 3: “We will present our program exactly in the line of Lord Caitanya, by kirtana, prasadam distribution and speaking from Bhagavad-gita. We cannot deviate even an inch in order to attract the followers of the ecology philosophy or any other materialistic, utopian movement. Our ideal Vedic community will attract everyone on its own merit.

Because of the above quote, Radhanath baba’s preaching strategy is doomed to fail, because he is doing exactly the opposite of what Srila Prabhupada wanted.

I tried to argue that the problem is that these gurus are taking the position of gurus/leaders Prabhupada’s movement and clearly deviating whilst claiming to be followers of Prabhupada. They can do their nonsense independently outside of Prabhupada’s movement.
And that, many sahajiyas/fake gurus in India also make people to chant Krishna’s name, but that doesn’t make them bonafide.

But they don’t understand unfortunately. They just tell me I am just a non-initiated devotee and should remain in my humble position and not try to think about what others are doing and to look at the positive and that I am nobody to criticize anybody senior than me and who’s doing a lot more than me, and that neither are you.

How can I make them understand? Can you put forward some points to defeat their arguments?

What kind of response did you expect from the members of ISKCON caliphate?

I don’t think they can be defeated, because they reject the very premise of using intelligence and rational arguments. They don’t want to debate with you because you are “not initiated”. Since you are not initiated, you should turn for brain off and not think much. If you are not thinking, this is called “humble position”.

So, another argument is that we should not criticize gurus who are “doing a lot”. This brings us to two possible definitions of a guru:

A) Srila Prabhupada’s definition – guru is somebody who nicely follows his own guru, somebody who knows sastra, and somebody who behaves like a gentleman according to sastra.

B) Guru is somebody who is “doing a lot”. Even if he is a sannyasi with a girlfriend or preaches mayavada, it doesn’t matter, because he is “doing a lot” and he is “senior”, he should not be criticized.

To me personally, Srila Prabhupada’s version of a guru is much more logical.

I agree that many gurus are “doing a lot”. They are doing a lot of nonsense by converting ISKCON into a useless mayavadi sahajiya organization that intelligent people will not like to join.

To sum up, people who want to be cheated by fake gurus will be cheated, because Krishna fulfills everybody’s desires.

As Srila Prabhupada said, the hardest thing is to wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep. Similarly, persons who want to live an ISKCON dream will never accept good advice.


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