Deadly disease

Deadly disease

Introduction

Deadly disease was spreading in ISKCON for years in form of Radhanath baba’s mayavadi philosophy. The idea is that by being philosophically deviated, associating with Mayavadis and sahajiyas and considering them friends, and generally being “smarter” than Prabhupada, you will attract a lot of followers and bring them to Srila Prabhupada lotus feet. In theory, this sounds nice, but it will never work.

Exactly the opposite is happening, as you will see from this article, as Radhanath’s clone army is growing, it is no longer possible to preach Srila Prabhupada’s original philosophy. You could see in last few days, I published articles where Radhanath baba’s own disciples, namely Jvalamukhi and Radha Madhava are rejecting him because of his cover ups and desire to change Prabhupada teachings.

But today, I am going to publish something much worse. I will show you how disciples of other gurus are rejecting their own gurus, because their own gurus are covering up for Radhanatha baba. The war is on.

This movie is not 100% about Radhanath baba, but it has a lot of his philosophy and his book is directly mentioned on couple of occasions. Keep in mind that one of main leaders in Russia, Bhakti Vijnana Goswami, is also follower of Radhanath baba. So, all the weirdness that is happening there is partially Radhanath baba’s responsibility.

In this movie, Krishna Nama das, is talking with his own guru, Indradyumna Swami, about all the weird preaching going on in Russia, and how authorities are opressing him because he wants to preach Prabhupada’s original message. And he is especially mentioning 3 major issues propapaged by Radhanath baba: Mother Theresa saintliness, Neem Karoli baba divinity and mayavadi Krishna das.

It’s a very long video, so, I have broken it up to pieces so you can rewind to the part that which you want to listen.

Initial exposee by Mathura Nama das

  • 1:20 Indirect preaching nonsense
  • 1:55 Torsonov nonsense.
  • 2:10 – Definition of indirect preaching
  • 2:50 – We should not preach as Prabhupada preached
  • 3:16 – Everyone will go away if we preach like Prabhupada,
    • MY COMMENT: This idea that if we preach like Prabhupada, everybody will leave, that is essential though behind everything that Radhanath baba is doing. Well, let me tell ya one thing, some of us will leave if we start preaching like Radhanath baba.
  • 3:42 – They asked Bhakti Vikasa Swami the same question
  • 4:48 – Bhakti Vikasa Swami’s reply to this question.
  • 5:37 – Indirect preaching means devotees dressed like karmis
  • 6:14 – Indirect preaching – No preaching about Krishna or surrender to Krishna
  • 7:20 – Nationalism = Materialism
  • 11:28 – Restiction placed on teacher not to argue with devotees, because he didn’t accept mother Theresa is saintly
  • 12:43 – In the book Journey Home, mayavadis are glorified: Neem Karoli baba, Dalai Lama
  • 13:57 – Devotees are not given chance to give counter arguments to indirect preaching.
  • 15:19 – Audarya Nama preaching not bonafide
  • 16:58 – Cancer treatment by Audarya Nama
  • 18:20 – Mathura Nama wanted open discussion, Mathura Nama was treated as rebel, REQUESTED TO STEP DOWN FROM BOARD AND LEAVE THE ASRAMA. Accused they wanted to usurp the power. They told situation to BVKS, he replied that we want develop traditionally, no indirect preaching, guru-sadhu-sastra, another BVKS disciple Jagadish das kicked out from Kazan temple, BVKS said that Jagadish acted properly.
  • 21:06 – Jagadish das, brahmacari, distributing Prabhupada’s books for 15 years, was giving lectures according to sastra, temple president, regional secretary, told him: “You should not speak like Prabhupada, otherwise we will kick you out“, and this is what happened.
  • 22:01 – We are exactly same position, declared out of ISKCON structure, can’t get books for distribution. Although they need Srila Prabhupada’s books to distribution.
    • MY COMMENT: This is how crazy ISKCON is today: Only way to get Prabhupada’s books and to distribute them, is to agree not to preach like Prabhupada. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 What a schizophrenic society did Radhanath baba create.

Reply by Indradyumna Swami

MY COMMENT: This is most funny reply in the history of ISKCON. Instead of blasting nonsense, and there was ton of nonsense mentioned: Mother Theresa, Neem Karoli baba, you name it, Indradyumna Swami is silent about all the nonsense, but he says “I am traditionalist”. That is a new kind of traditionalist, who is not able to say one word against Radhanath baba nonsense preaching.

  • 23:19 – Why not both?
    • MY COMMENT: Why not both, why not preach from Prabhupada’s books, and in the same time preach that Neem Karoli is saint, and that mother Theresa, cow meat distributor is also saintly. Ahm, I don’t think that will work.
  • 24:20 – I am traditionalist, I am old school.
    • MY COMMENT: LOL
  • 24:41 – People complain that I speak too directly.
    • MY COMMENT: LOL
  • 25:45 – Festival of India
  • 27:00 – Dressed as devotees
  • 27:56 – There is room for another approach
  • 29:00 – Airport karmi dress, distribute yoga, meditation
  • 32:00 – Many people joined over psychology.
    • MY COMMENT: I met some Russian people, who were kicked out from ISKCON, such Mathura Nama, for not accepting psychology nonsense.
  • 33:55 – Prasadam, secret weapon.
  • 34:15 – PERSONALLY, I AM VERY TRADITIONAL.
  • 35:00 – We preach WITHOUT COMPROMISING MESSAGE
    • MY COMMENT: Here, Indradyumna Swami is getting schizophrenic, message of Prabhupada is compromised by Radhanath baba long time ago. Otherwise, why Mathura Nama is complaining??? Why Mathura Nama is being kicked from his temple if message is not compromised? All he wants to do is to preach what Prabhupada preached. But he is not allowed to do that in Prabhupada’s own movement.
  • 35:45 – Caitanya Mahaprabhu is innovative because of singing and dancing instead of lecturing in the temple
  • 36:59 – PEOPLE DON’T LIKE CHANGE, CHANGE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE MESSAGE,
    • MY COMMENT: So, when Radhanath baba, who is supposed to be sannyasi, engages in eye camps, and Prabhupada said: “In Bhagavad-gita there is no such statement that you take care of the eyes of the people. There is no such statement. That is your manufactured idea.” (Room Conversation — January 8, 1977, Bombay) Is that a compromised message or not?
  • 37:45 – Change – Bhaktivinoda introduced nama-hatta
  • 37:53 – Bhakti siddhanta innovator who shocked
  • 38:15 – I am suprised Bhakti Vikasa Swami is speaking so strongly against innovative preaching BECAUSE HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT BHAKTI SIDDHANTA.
  • 38:25 – Bhaktisiddhanta radical innovative preaching, that was him.
  • 39:04 – I read book 3 times, I LOVE THAT BOOK.
    • MY COMMENT: Imagine this, Indradyumna Swami is defending Radhanath nonsense and all other nonsense by using Bhakti-siddhanta Sarasvati as an example, amazing stuff. So, when Radhanath Swami writes in his book Journey Home, that Neem Karoli baba is saintly, that Ramesh baba is his lifelong friend, that is same innovative preaching as Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was doing. Well, dear Indradyumna Swami, since you claim that you read Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava three times, you surely know that Bhaktisiddhantha Sarasvati was greatest enemy of sahajiyas and mayavadis. Comparing Bhaktisiddhanta with Radhanath is really beyond level of good taste, and constitutes offence towards Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.
  • 39:15 – That’s where I get idea that you can be non traditional and get away with it.
  • 39:43 – kurta coat, motors, festivals that people didn’t know they are coming to Krishna consciousness at all.
  • 41:10 – Festivals Bhakti siddhanta, material and spiritual, jiu jitsu, circus, film shows, athletics, spiritual inner circle. Detailed explanation.
    • MY COMMENT: Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava states that there were many mundane attractions at the Mayapura Pradarsani, for attracting non-devotees. But in his writing and speaking Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was always straightforward, unlike deliberately vague, verging on Mayavadi, Radhanath baba.
  • 47:20 – Kali progresses, vaisnavas must be innovative
  • 48:00 – Tax your brains how to spread this movement.
    • MY COMMENT: Please, dear Indradyumna Swami, tell Radhanath baba to turn off his brain, if he starts taxing his brain how to spread this movement, some of us find it hard to survive that nonsense.
  • 48:20 – Fine line
  • 48:45 – I DISAGREE THAT RADHANATH MAHARAJ IS LIKE THAT.
    • MY COMMENT: Well, dear Indradyumna Swami, you can agree that Radhanath Swami didn’t cross the line, we are very happy that you finally aligned yourself as supporter of Radhanath Swami, you just lost a disciple for saying that, and I am sure you’ll lose many more.
  • 50:00 – Bhakti for the Divine.
  • 51:00 – They like him because he is not pushy,
  • 51:44 – Maharaj makes more devotees than me.
    • MY COMMENT: Yea? Devotees of who? Idea is to be devoted to Prabhupada. Radhanath baba makes devotees who are devoted to hospitals, mayavadis and eye camps. And all those people are not really interesting in Prabhupada, finding him politically incorrect and old fashioned. Therefore, having failed to become fascinated by Srila Prabhupada, they are lingering on the sahajiya level of consciousness, often insulting to Prabhupada, and persecuting his real followers, their future is very dark.
  • 52:02 – Politicians take initiation, I can’t do that.
  • 52:10 – My most indirect preaching, is I wear jacket which says Russia.
  • 54:45 – I agree with Bhakti Vikasa Swami, too much compromise is not good.
    • MY COMMENT: Yes, Indradyumna Swami maharaja, we agree at least once in this video.
  • 55:25 – We must be very strict, but that will not attract people ??? Purity is the force.
  • 57:00 – It’s not sinful Maya.
    • MY COMMENT: How about Ramesh baba disco dance? Is that sinful? Should we consider people like Ramesh baba to be our lifelong friends?
  • 57:45 – Rock music
  • 59:45 – I never go to rock concert and don’t allow devotees.
  • 1:00:00 – Poison get washed away
  • 1:01:30 – Crap rock music
  • 1:02:30 – Given women gayatri mantra
  • 1:03:20 – Room for both
  • 1:03:40 – There is place for Sacinandana Swami and Radhanath Swami.
  • 1:04:18 – Judge by result
  • 1:05:00 – Both parties should preach, not fight, side by side
    • MY COMMENT: Seriously, you are telling this to your disciple who is getting kicked from temple because he wants to preach what Prabhupada preached? THIS IS EPIC

Reply by Mathura nama das:

  • 1:06:30 – Devotees are influenced by mayavada sahajiya, leader of bhakti sanga claims mother Theresa is saintly. Krishna das is mayavadi.

Reply by Indradyumna Swami:

  • 1:07:25 – Whenever you go to preach, there is always a chance for contamination.
  • 1:10:00 – Strong sadhana, will not be attracted. We should preach to mayavadis, Krishna das should also get the mercy.
    • MY COMMENT: Dear Indradyumna Swami, preaching to Krishna das is one thing, organising tour for him and allowing him to contaminate devotees by his singing is another thing. Preaching to sahajiyas is one thing, And [claiming that they are out lifelong friends] is another thing.
  • 1:11:00 – Prabhupada was associating with mayavadi dr Misra, and cured him from disease. Prabhupada many devotees by singing, not by preaching.
    • MY COMMENT: Prabhupada never converted mayavadi dr Misra to vaisnavism
  • 1:12:00 – When associating with mayavadis, we speak their language a little bit.
    • MY COMMENT: Interesting, but Prabhupada never “spoke mayavadi language” a little bit. And Radhanath baba is speaking mayvadi language a lot, not little.
  • 1:13:00 – Times have changed.
    • MY COMMENT: Yes, times have changed, Prabhupada’s followers were tolerating Radhanath baba for some years, and now we go to war

Reply by Mathura nama das:

  • 1:14:00 – How to develop simultaneously?
    • MY COMMENT: This is too painful to watch, disciple is pleading to be allowed to preach what Prabhupada preached.

Reply by Indradyumna Swami:

  • 1:14:59 – Loyal independent, loyal to ISKCON but have my independent program. Generally, I don’t criticize , not publicly.
    • MY COMMENT: You are not loyal independent, you are loyal to Radhanath baba and agree with him 100%, you didn’t say one word against his deviations. And you are having no problems to disagree with Bhakti Vikasa Swami. There is no such thing as loyal independent.
  • 1:15:30 – If they want to become siksa disciples of Bhakti Vikasa Swami, that’s ok.
    • MY COMMENT: Damn right is ok, having Radhanath baba’s supporter as guru sucks big time, this video is proof of that.
  • 1:15:50 – Other persons are not doing anything devious, we should recognize the validity of it.
    • MY COMMENT: Here you have it, preaching about Neem Karoli baba is not deviation, mother Theresa is who was feeding people with meat is actually divine, organizing concerts with mayavadi Krishna das also not deviation, speaking mayavadi language “a little bit” is also not deviant. And where is the line? Line is when you start opening brothels and selling drugs I guess. Everything before that is ok, as long as you are making devotees (since when Radhanath closed who don’t like Prabhupada are called devotees?)
  • 1:16:51 – You can’t criticise their preaching because that is exactly what Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was doing,
    • MY COMMENT: Epic, Radhanath baba is new Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati. EPIC, THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM INDRADYUMNA SWAMI. NOW EVERYTHING IS CLEAR.
  • 1:18:00 – All our acaryas, including Caitanya Mahaprabhu, preached indirectly.
    • MY COMMENT: LOL, no comment needed 🙂

At this point, I reached my limit. There is only certain amount of nonsense I can digest, you can watch the rest of video. there are around 50 minutes more.

The aftermath

As a result of this video, Mathura Nama das no longer considers himself disciple of Indradyumna Swami, doesn’t recite his pranama mantra, and he took shelter of real ISKCON guru. Basic function of real ISKCON guru is to explain difference between illusion and reality for the benefit of all. Indradyumna Swami obviously didn’t do this in this video, rather he sided with traitor of Prabhupada, Radhanath baba, who is promoting Ramesh baba, doing eye camps, opening hospitals, and preaching nonsense philosophy which is nowhere to be found in Prabhupada’s books.

Do you want to live in Radhanath’s new nonsense ISKCON where you are not allowed to repeat Prabhupada’s words? If you do, then stay silent, don’t complain and let Radhanath’s clone army conquer everything.

Resources

If you want to find out more about Radhanath baba, check these videos: