Closing in on the Swami, part 1Hanuman das
James Bond movies, not allowed in Krishna consciousness, Star wars movies, not allowed in Krishna consciousness. Chasing fake sannyasis through Germany, 100% bonafide way to protect Srila Prabhupada’s legacy.
This is transcript of chat conversation between me and devotee from Germany which happened in May 2016. He brings in some valuable info about whereabouts of Sacinandana Swami and Bhanu Nandini and their relationship. GBC considers this info “inconclusive”. You can judge for yourself.
Where appropriate, I replaced some words with letter “X” to protect identity of devotee. I added my comments in between the chat messages where I felt additional explanation is needed.
Devotee from Germany: Hare Krishna! I read your open letter to SNS regarding his special assistant. Bhanu-nandini said consulted an American PR consultancy because of the website about “Mr. and Mrs. Sacinandana Swami”, they told her they could not do anything about it other than replace negative news with positive ones… Interestingly enough, it was her, the cause of the scandal, who consulted with the company; and still, she lives in the same house (as far as I know), accompanying him everywhere he goes.
Devotee is referring here to the website which has a lot of photos of Bhanu Nandini and Sacinandana Swami. This website was one of the main reasons why this investigation was started in the first place.
This is also place the where hypocrisy starts. Why are they trying to engage PR agency to hide the fact that they are living together. They probably think that nobody will “understand” their “lila”.
Hanuman: All my videos are uploaded to multiple locations, plus I can host directly on my website.
Devotee from Germany: that is what they told Bhanu-nandini also, she does not seem to be very intelligent.
Hanuman: Can I post this info anonymously? I will not mention you.
Devotee from Germany: yes, please do not mention me, there are many SNS disciples here, they will not like me 😉
Hanuman: I am surrounded by SNS disciples. And they like me very much.
Devotee from Germany: they don’t even like each other, they are envious.
Hanuman: Yes, here also in Croatia, there is big fight between two Sacinandana Swami fractions. One fraction opened apa sampradaya. They have their own center and they don’t care for ISKCON or anybody else.
Devotee from Germany: and one cannot take any one of them seriously, too much new age nonsense, also Bhanu nandini once gave a lecture here, it was bad, she said that you can have a strong connection to Prabhupada and Krishna without initiation.
Hanuman: I heard that lecture. It was on german unfortunately. Yes, of course. Ramesh baba has strong connection with Radharani and he is not initiated by anybody. Are you sure she still lives with him? That is very important info.
Devotee from Germany: As far as I know that live in the same house, separate entrances, one for sannyasis, one for assistants 😉 . There is one former brahmacari who lives there and others go there sometimes to help. It was definitely like that at the end of last year.
So, this practical proof that sannyasi is living with unmarried woman who is his “secretary”. He says definitely. Sannyasi minister doesn’t think this is worth investigating.
Hanuman: So, the three of them live together. Do you have the address? Is that somewhere near Berlin?
Devotee from Germany: yes, it should be near Berlin but I don’t know the address.
Hanuman: This photo shows two separate houses.
Devotee from Germany: I have never been there. I can ask a XXXXXX who knows more.
Hanuman: Yes. Please do. But be careful. They might start searching who is leaking info.
Devotee from Germany: well, the info that there is a brahmacari is official, he went there after it became public that SNS and his assistant live together. Some authorities (I think GBC) talked to him and then he made the change. I don’t know what exactly is the arrangement.
So, it’s ok for a sannyasi to live with unmarried woman on a private estate as long as there is a “cook” there or a gardener. But as we will see further, the cook probably doesn’t even live there all the time.
Hanuman: Do you know the name of the brahmacari?
Devotee from Germany: yes, I believe his name is Madhusudana, but I heard he put on white when he moved there. Also, there is a video of SNS Vyasa-puja, Bhanu-nandini is the first person to speak, I think she reads some poem while they present SNS a Surprise
Hanuman: Which year?
Devotee from Germany: starting at 1:00
Hanuman: Oh yea.
Hanuman: I don’t see her anywhere. It’s just her voice.
Devotee from Germany: bad enough. it must be her speaking into the microphone
Hanuman: Is that she? In blue? She turned her head back at 0:27?
Devotee from Germany: yes, definitely, maybe there are pictures of her on facebook. Bhanu-nandini with SNS on Nityananda Trayodas, the day before SNS Vyasa-puja, she can be seen on a picture on facebook on the right in blue So, one can make an educated guess that it was her speaking directly during the Vyasa-puja.
Hanuman: Where did you find this photo?
Devotee from Germany: it was in the profile of someone who was there during the festival.
Few days later
Hanuman: Did you find out more details? Is ex brahmacari regularly living in that house with them? Or he is there just officially but practically he is traveling a lot? Does madhusudana have facebook profile? Is this the one? https://www.facebook.com/mike108
Devotee from Germany: no, that is not him. Wait, I will send you a picture
Devotee from Germany: He is not on facebook, I think. He is German and was a brahmacari. I heard he he put on white (in 2015 maybe) and moved out of his ashrama to become the cook of SNS. I don’t know if he travels with him, I look at most photos of SNS on facebook and practically never see him on the pictures, only Bhanu-nandini.
Hanuman: This one was also in Germany few days ago. So, we have two Madhusudana prabhus in Germany.
Devotee from Germany: The disciple of sns that I am talking about is German, he is quite young, it seems, I have not seen him often. I will ask someone about Bhanu-nandini. I hope I can give you more info tomorrow.
Devotee from Germany: Someone told me that Bhanu-nandini still lives there, but there is always another man (probably Madhusudana), but Bhanu-nandini handles all of SNS’s communication. This is actually public knowledge and everyone will experience that you need to call or write her to get an appointment. She reads and writes all his emails. So probably Bhanu-nandini has read your open letters to him first before he got knoelwedge of them wink emoticon
Devotee from Germany: Here are pictures from SNS’s property: http://www.sacinandanaswami.com/hr/s1a110/fotos/gaura-bhavan-2011.html
Hanuman: Hm. House is not really visible. But it’s no so important anyway.
Hanuman: Can I put those two photos of Madhusudana das in my video? Did somebody sent those to you or you found them on the in Internet? I am worried that someone might connect you with those photos.
Devotee from Germany: I found them on the internet, they are on facebook, Of course, one needs to know where to look
maybe use the first photo.
Hanuman: PAMHO I am in contact with GBC, I presented them information I got from you. They say they need first hand information.
Devotee from Germany: Which GBC?
Hanuman: This is what I sent to GBC:
just asked a friend. He says, as far as he knows, Bhanu-nandini still
lives there, but there is always another man (probably Madhusudana), but
Bhanu-nandini handles all of SNS’s communication. This is actually public
knowledge and everyone will experience that you need to call or write her
to get an appointment. She reads and writes all his emails. So probably
Bhanu-nandini has read your open letters to him first before he got
knowledge of them
Hanuman:: This is GBC response:
Writing such phrases as “as far as he knows” doesn’t help very much. “Public knowledge” “everyone will experience” Please get me in contact with Mr. everyone so that I can get first hand information. Please send me some email or the name of someone who had to go through Bhanu-nandini to make an appointment with SNS.
Hanuman: This is his response. They want email of someone who had to go through Bhanu-nandini to get appointment with SNS.
Devotee from Germany: I never made any appointment with SNS.
Hanuman: Just to get you in the loop, this is what I got yesterday from GBC:
The GBC has said that SNS cannot live with his girl friend, nor can he associate with her, especially by themselves or even with only another devotee present.” This is the current GBC stance on the issue. Now they are looking for evidence that he broke this agreement.
Hanuman: > OLD INFO already sent to you before:
As far as I know that live in the same house, separate entrances, one for
sannyasis, one for assistants. There is one former brahmacari who lives
there and another prabhu goes there sometimes to help. It was definitely
like that at the end of last year.
Hanuman: Response from GBC:
Again: “As far as I know” is not evidence. I really need someone who
actually “knows” and has first hand information.
Hanuman: Brahmacari info sent to GBC:
well, the info that there is a brahmacari is official, he went there after
it became public that SNS and his assistant live together the GBC talked
to him and then he made the change. I don’t know what exactly is the
arrangement. yes, his name is Madhusudana, but he put on white when he
moved there ^^^
Hanuman: GBC response:
SNS might have an assistant, where does Bhanu-nandini dd fit into this?
Hanuman: As far as house location is concerned:
yes, it should be near Berlin
Hanuman: Response from GBC:
Great!? “near Berlin” that narrows it down.
Hanuman: So, yes, they are willing to pursue, but need actual evidence. He can’t go in front of his Godbrothers and say “Hanuman told me that mister X told him, and mister X talked with “somebody”.
Devotee from Germany: I don’t know the name of the village where he lives but as far as I know several of his disciples live around Berlin and some go there or he goes to them. Well, I can understand but this is tricky. If I ask his disciples, they will suspect me
Hanuman: Yes. Is there anybody else? I mean Berlin is 100% SNS disciples?
Devotee from Germany: No, there are other people, I know some who are not his disciples and live there but the SNS disciples are everywhere in Germany and Europe and some are influential. Looking at the picture from Google maps with SNS’s house, it must be southwest of Berlin.
Hanuman: I found it on google maps
This is the place.
Hanuman: And it is southwest of Berlin. However, the location of the house is not problem. We need proof that Bhanu-nandini is living there. First hand proof.
Devotee from Germany: the only ones who go there, are his disciples
Hanuman: And he is surrounded by his disciples who will not give in anything. Yes.
Devotee from Germany: yes
Hanuman: And he is careful lately not to give any photos with Bhanu nandini.
Devotee from Germany: He does not know how to handle emails or mobile phones, that is why he makes her do it. Someone needs to try to make an appointment with him, it will go through her. But I suppose they will be careful not to make it too obvious.
Hanuman: Well, if they are going through her, and he doesn’t have phone or email, that means they are living together. Otherwise how can she contact him? If he doesn’t have phone himself.
Devotee from Germany: According to facebook, he will be in Berlin XXXXXX (although it was said, he would go to XXXXXX on his website). Certainly, she is there also.
Hanuman: Well, that’s not proof. If they are in same temple room.
Devotee from Germany: I know. Maybe I can XXX XXX but they are surely careful now
Hanuman: Will they arrive in same car to Berlin temple?
Devotee from Germany: I do not know
Hanuman: Quoting you from the other day I just asked a XXXXX. He says, as far as he knows, Bhanu-nandini still lives there, but there is always another man (probably Madhusudana), but Bhanu-nandini handles all of SNS’s communication. This is actually public knowledge and everyone will experience that you need to call or write her to get an appointment. She reads and writes all his emails. So probably Bhanu-nandini has read your open letters to him first before he got knowledge of them.
Hanuman: Is this XXXXX SNS disciple?
Devotee from Germany: I don’t have any XXXXXX who are XXXXX XXXXX.
Hanuman: So, who is this XXXXXXX then? Is he willing to confirm this to GBC?
Devotee from Germany: He gets his info from SNS disciples. I don’t think that he would confirm it since he has no dealings with SNS, only his friends.
Hanuman: I see.
Hanuman: Can you get me Bhanu Nandini’s mobile phone number?
Devotee from Germany: I don’t know if it is still up to date. Here is her email: bhanu.nandini.sns@XXXXX
here is a phone number I found in my phone directory: XXX (0)151 XXXXXX, but as I said, her phone number might be old
also, I found two phone numbers for SNS: 0049 (0)331 XXXXXX (that is landline)
Hanuman: Where did you found those?
Devotee from Germany: this one is mobile number for SNS’s mobile phone (which he does not use):
+49 176 XXXXXXX found XXXX XXXX XXXX XXX, the entries are some years old (XX to XX years)
Few days later
Hanuman: Do you have any contacts or names of Sacinandana Swami disciples who figured him out? Who got fried with him. And are possibly willing to talk.
Devotee from Germany: I have heard of a crazy one in Germany, but he some hallucinogenic drug from Latin America. He promotes it as some way to achieve a spiritual consciousness, I believe. Maybe not a credible source. But he is definitely fried with SNS and even demanded a written declaration from SNS that he is no longer his disciple.
Hanuman: Friend tells me Sacinandana Swami lives on new address. “Neuruppin, where HH Sacinanda Swami lives, in the house of Bhagavat-dharma Prabhu and Shyam-nam Mataji, where they worship the Deitis of Maharaj and have a real sacred museum of holy memorabilia.”
Devotee from Germany: https://www.facebook.com/babak.jafarian
Devotee from Germany: https://www.facebook.com/shyamnam.shabnamk
Devotee from Germany: her pictures are revealing…
Hanuman: We are not this body prabhu, no problem.
Devotee from Germany: transcendental to any ashram, we are not Hindu, Muslim, sannyasi, man, woman, if you are a pure devotee, you are beyond any rules or regulations, spontaneous platform.
Hanuman: Yes, that is what I always wanted. To be pure devotee without following anything.