Almost got blinded by looking at the “guru form”

Almost got blinded by looking at the “guru form”

Last week, I tried the obtain the “guru form”, you see to become guru in ISKCON, you have to fill up “guru form”, in which you promise that you will never criticise GBC or other “gurus”. In other words you must promise that you will be good guru puppy.

I am wondering if Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati signed this form, and I am also wondering if Srila Prabhupada signed this form. Luckily, gaudiya math leaders were not so smart to establish “guru form” and “guru list”, they obviously lacked North Korean touch in the their management. We are actually lucky, because if gaudiya math did establish the “guru list”, Prabhupada would never be approved to become guru because he didn’t get along well with his Godbrothers. He was revolutionary who formed his own society called ISKCON. But that same society became North Korea type of organisation and new society is needed.

Following in the footsteps of Srila Prabhupada, his senior disciples who are not into the “guru list” nonsense should also form their own society and preach independently. If you are not willing to accept that ping pong acarya who doesn’t chant on japa is pure devotee, you will have problems in ISKCON. I witnessed that first hand.

And the guru form is so powerful that if you just look at it, you will probably go blind.

My letter to GBC Corresponding secretary (male secretary)

Message-ID: <CAHEdfkE6ZZZV3vyGEfQmYm6tOAyGYs=qV123xw-t+xJx7mgKaA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 05:29:46 +0000
Subject: guru form
From: Hanuman das
To: "Ananda Tirtha das (GBC Corresponding Secretary)" <Ananda.Tirtha.das@pamho.net>

Dear Ananda Tirtha prabhu,

please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Can you please send me the ISKCON guru form?

I would like to recommend one Srila Prabhupada disciple for position of initiating spiritual master in ISKCON.

your servant,
Hanuman das

Comment by Hanuman das

This could work, right? It looks simple and straightforward, and I really know one Srila Prabhupada disciple who I would recommend.

Well, it’s not that easy, well aware that I could go blind if I see the guru form, Ananda Tirtha prabhu responds:

Reply by the GBC secretary

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:54 -0400
From: "Ananda Tirtha das (GBC Corresponding Secretary)" <Ananda.Tirtha.das@pamho.net>
To: "Hanuman (das) SDHS (Zagreb - HR)" <Hanuman.SDHS@pamho.net>
Subject: guru form
X-Mailer: COM 3.89.6

Can you please send me the ISKCON guru form?

Prabhu, I could send you the form but first this needs to be done:

“7.4.1.1 Endorsement by an Area Council
When the Zonal Secretaries for a local area, in consultation with the local
leadership, conclude that a particular devotee, through preaching in that
area, has been providing substantial guidance and shelter to devotees, they
may convene a Local Area Council to consider nominating this devotee for
serving as a diksa-guru. The Council must give a three-fourths majority vote
in support of the candidate to serve as diksa-guru.”

So you would have to first get the above done before going ahead with
getting the form filled out, etc.

I would like to recommend one Srila Prabhupada disciple for position of
initiating spiritual master in ISKCON.

On an unrelated note, I am naturally a bit hurt by the comments you make
about my wife on your website:

Touchy-touchy sannyasi bans chastity book

Is this really necessary?

Your servant,

ATD

Comment by Hanuman das

Ouch, no form for me, you see I am not well connected with “Local Area Council”. To be honest, I don’t even know what the heck is “Local Area Council”, and I find this to be typical administrative bullshit response.

But hey, I could google, I mean google is almost like God today, surely google would know that is “Local Area Council”, let’s try asking google:

As we can see google has no clue what is “Local Area Council”, well, I guess I am not advanced enough to understand this lila.

But, as you can see, while I was hunting down sannyasi Bhakti Charu Swami and his female secretary, I didn’t know that ex Bhakti Charu secretary is currently wife of Ananda Tirtha das. And he is slightly unhappy with my article.

So, discussion will now branch into female sannyasi secretary tattva and “guru form” tattva.

Reply by Hanuman das

> Can you please send me the ISKCON guru form?

Prabhu, I could send you the form but first this needs to be done:

“7.4.1.1 Endorsement by an Area Council

When the Zonal Secretaries for a local area, in consultation with the local leadership, conclude that a particular devotee, through preaching in that area, has been providing substantial guidance and shelter to devotees, they may convene a Local Area Council to consider nominating this devotee for serving as a diksa-guru. The Council must give a three-fourths majority vote in support of the candidate to serve as diksa-guru.”

So you would have to first get the above done before going ahead with getting the form filled out, etc.

I am doing research on the “guru list” strategy implemented by the GBC in 1978. Main paper which is called “Descending process of selecting spiritual master” provides reasoning behind this system. But I can’t find this paper anywhere. This is pretty important document, can you send it to me? It looks strange to me that main paper which defines how our movement is functioning is missing.

Also, I wanted to see the guru form, because I heard rumour that on this form, “prospective guru” must sign that he will never disagree or speak against any GBC decision. So, I wanted to check that. If this is true, it severely impairs guru’s position and creates North Korea mentality. For example, current GBC decision is that “women can be gurus”, and any guru who signs this form can not discuss this topic. But I think this topic should be discussed.

> I would like to recommend one Srila Prabhupada disciple for position of
> initiating spiritual master in ISKCON.

On an unrelated note, I am naturally a bit hurt by the comments you make about my wife on your website:

Touchy-touchy sannyasi bans chastity book

Is this really necessary?

Was it really necessary? I am not sure, I will explain my logic, and you tell me if it was really necessary.

I complained in my local temple about Ramesh followers coming to Croatia and nobody is saying a word against it. And also I made some research and found out that Sacinandana Swami is follower of Ramesh baba and that is why we have Ramesh tours in Croatia, because his disciples are organising them. I am sure you are familiar with all the evidence I provided on my web site. I also wrote numerous letter to Sacinandana Swami asking him if this was true. He never replied.

After I published this information to protect Prabhupada’s movement from sahajiya onslaught, I was kicked out by Sacinandana Swami disciples from my local temple. Now, you tell me, was that really necessary?

Then I complained to Prahladananda Swami, he didn’t say a word to protect me. On the contrary, he wrote me email saying that I am the one promoting Ramesh baba. Was that really necessary?

Then I was writing complaint to you since you are GBC EC correspondent, I was writing this complaint from 11 PM to 1 AM, and you replied that my complaint “is not in the proper format”. Was that really necessary? This is how ISKCON handles serious injustice? By telling people that they filled the wrong form and that their serious complaint needs to be “reformatted” ?

After you told me that I have “reformat my complaint”, I lost all faith that I will get any justice from the GBC.

Then, I was thinking how it is possible that Ramesh followers and sannyasis with female secretaries survive in ISKCON. Well, it’s because all people who are complaining are “filling out the wrong forms” I guess. Then I exposed every single sannyasi with female secretary and every single Ramesh follower guru. It’s called justice and it’s called “Payback time”. We might think that Prabhupada’s followers should not take revenge or use terms like “payback time”. But we cans ee this strategy used by pure devotee Bhima, he was expert in it. Was it really necessary for him to kill all 100 sons of Dhritarastra? I think that Dhritarastra’s sons were naturally a little bit hurt when he killed them.

I understand that you are naturally a bit hurt that your wife ended up on my website. But I can say if you forwarded my official GBC complaint to a proper channel, maybe none of this would happen.

And yes, I am also “naturally a bit hurt” that my wife and child can not visit local ISKCON temple because they were betrayed by ISKCON leadership just like me.

So, if you believe in sannyasis with female secretaries and Ramesh baba, there is nothing wrong in my post, actually, your wife should be proud that she was serving a sannyasi while she was young and unmarried. If you think there is a problem there, you can always forward my “improperly formatted complaint” to the GBC EC and let them handle the matter. You are a little bit late though, but better now than never.

And of course, I don’t have any particular desire to keep your wife on my website, if GBC body bans female sannyasi secretaries and starts cleaning the mess, I’ll be more than happy to remove female secretary related stuff. And cleanup starts with removing Ramesh follower Sacinandana baba who travelled around the world with his cute secretary from the position of sannyasi and guru.

But as long as GBC body pretends that the problem doesn’t exist, and claims that “I imagined” everything because “I am offender”, I will leave my imaginary website online. And I am getting 4500 imaginary devotees visiting my imaginary website every month. This is how I fight imaginary sannyasis with girlfriends and imaginary Ramesh followers.

Your servant, Hanuman das

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Conclusion

What you learn from this article:

  • Guru form is not available to be seen even, what to speak of being filled up.
  • Main document which describes “guru list” rationale is not available, this most secret document is called “Descending process of selecting spiritual master”, this is one of the biggest speculations in ISKCON’s history.
  • If you don’t believe in female secretaries for sannyasis, many people will not be happy with you.
  • Everybody who doesn’t believe in the guru list is offender. 🙂

And so, ISKCON continues to preach flawed “guru list” philosophy, natural right of every Srila Prabhupada disciple is to initiate his disciples if he is qualified, but this right was taken away by the GBC by implementing the “guru list”. Not only that natural right was taken away from many of the disciples of Prabhupada, but they also introduced many cheaters on that list, including Sacinandana baba, who is follower of Ramesh baba instead of Prabhupada, who sleeps till 7 AM, and then associates during the day with his secretary gopi. If he is pure devotee, I am Donald Duck.

But as long as you want to be a member of ISKCON, you have to tolerate this nonsense and be silent, of course privately, you can think whatever you want, but publicly you should allow Sacinandana baba to fool people and convert them into useless Ramesh sahajiyas. Well, there is at least one website which will tell you the truth, and Sacinandana baba and his disciples are desperately trying to shut it down. Of course, they will never publicly denounce my website, because they know I have evidence for everything I write, they just want you to believe in Ramesh baba and Sacinandana Swami and his girlfriends. It’s all lila, you know. This circus is promoted by the GBC body by keeping Sacinandana baba on the “guru list”.


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