Dress onlyHanuman das
Prabhupāda: Homosex, what is that religion? And they’re passing to homosex, religion. They’re getting married man to man. Most degraded.
Hari-śauri: There’s no difference between the behavior of a priest and the behavior of a gross atheist…
Hari-śauri: …except he’s dressed as a priest.
Prabhupāda: That’s all. Dress only. (Morning Room Conversation, February 16, 1977, Māyāpura)
In the below article, anal hero Govinda das bravely defends anal harinam video without even mentioning my main objection. My main objection is about VIDEO. ok? If somebody doesn’t understand that word, let me repeat: MOVIE The whole discussion started after I shared anal harinam VIDEO from official ISKCON page. In his defense, he didn’t even mention the word “video” even once. Harinam just passing through gay pride, I could live with that, but this went much further with this stupid video. My reply is enclosed within his article which was originally published on Sampradaya Sun.
The Facts about London Gay Pride Harinama (BY: GOVINDA DAS)
Jul 28, 2017 — WATFORD, ENGLAND (SUN) —
Hanuman das has tried to blame Radhanatha Swami for a recent harinama during a “Pride in London” event in which gays, lesbians, bisexuals etc. take to the streets. The truth is, although there are many Radhanatha Swami disciples in London, very few attend Saturday night harinama. I am not aware of any being present on that night. The harinama is organised by devotees living outside the temple, so the temple authorities had nothing to do with it either.
:joy: Only someone completely unfamiliar with ISKCON would buy this nonsense argument. First of all, nothing in ISKCON happens without approval of temple authorities. Temple president is responsible for everything in his area and he is authorized representative of ISKCON in each temple. There is no question of congregation doing harinam without knowledge of temple president. For example, in Zagreb Croatia, I was banned by temple president just for posting on facebook that Ramesh baba is sahajiya, and that ISKCON gurus who follow him are also sahajiyas. That much control you can expect from temple authorities in ISKCON.
And who is temple president in Soho, Radhanath Swami’s disciple, Jai Nitai das.
And even if we accept argument that temple president “didn’t know”, question is how this gay pride support movie ended up on official ISKCON uk facebook page:
Temple president also didn’t know? That is one strange temple president, “he doesn’t know” when something goes wrong in his yatra.
The harinama party did not specifically choose to go to this event. The event took place outside the Soho temple and in surrounding streets, and the harinama party followed its usual route. For years the harinama party has gone out during this annual event.
Except, this time, going through gay parade was not enough, you had to record video and post it to your facebook page.
And this video was uploaded so that everyone can see that you “did not specifically choose to go to this event.” Give me a break!
The party goes out every week and has no intention of stopping just because there are lots of gays etc. on the street. Even on normal Saturdays, the area is well populated with gays, as Soho is the gay centre of London.
Stopping? I did see you stop. You didn’t just pass by, you were singing by standing in the midst of anal lila. Or maybe I am blind.
Besides, you stopped to record a small anal video and publish it on you official ISKCON page. Oops, that video was seen by 6000 people who will now think that we like to sing the gay tune.
Some devotees think that it is bad to chant amongst gays because it makes ISKCON look pro-gay. The fact is, Lord Caitanya instructed us to give Krsna to everyone. Let us not forget that Srila Prabhupada lived and preached amongst hippies who were addicted to drugs, alcohol and sex. Does that mean Prabhupada was pro-drugs etc.? Of course not. Was Prabhupada giving Vaisnavism a bad name by preaching to degraded hippies? No. So it does not follow that by preaching among gays one gives ISKCON a bad name.
No, I find it especially problematic to record video of devotees on gay parade and post this video on official ISKCON facebook page, that is what I find problematic.
Plus, you were not preaching among gays, you were just chanting, I am yet to see any kind of preaching in which would somebody from ISKCON explain to gays what are they doing wrong. But I don’t see such preaching. Prabhupada did such preaching.
Plus, Prabhupada was amongst hippies, but he was preaching against hippie lifestyle, and he transformed hippies into happies.
You, on the other hand, recorded yourselves amongst gays and posted that on official ISKCON facebook page. That is not preaching, that is called “going along with the anal flow”.
Also, if chanting with gays makes us pro-gay then chanting in China Town makes us pro-Chinese, and chanting amongst drunk people makes us pro-alcohol. Clearly bad logic.
Clearly a completely inappropriate example, chanting in China town is not problem, but going in China town for the annual “dog eating pride”, then recording video there, and posting it on official facebook channel with description “Chanting and dancing at dog eating pride” is definitely inappropriate.
Of course, if devotees are adversely affected by the sinful atmosphere then they should not preach in degraded places. But the overall experience of Saturday night harinama devotees is very positive. Devotees feel spiritually enlivened, and that should not be forgotten.
Some devotees are adversely affected by the sinful video you uploaded on your official facebook channel, and therefore you should not upload such videos again.
“In distributing love of Godhead, Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His associates did not consider who was a fit candidate and who was not, nor where such distribution should or should not take place. They made no conditions. Wherever they got the opportunity, the members of the Panca-tattva distributed love of Godhead.” (Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 7.23)
“In distributing gay love, devotees should record video of themselves dancing with gays, and they should not consider who is a fit candidate to watch that video, nor how some people could understand that video. One should make no conditions. Wherever they got the opportunity, the members of the anal harinam tattva should upload gay videos to their official facebook page.” (Anal-amrta Adi 1.1.)
And the funny party
Look at this:
I ask him who is behind the page that posted anal harinam video, and he says not connected with RNS disciples. Ok, if not RNS disciples, then who? He doesn’t want to tell.
It’s like I ask you “Who robbed the bank?”, and you answer, “I don’t know, but Mexican didn’t do it.”
Prabhupada was right, “dress only”.