ISKCON introduces guru who is allergic to Srila Prabhupada quotesHanuman das
An interesting incident happened yesterday morning. Mahatma das wrote a facebook post supporting the current ISKCON dogma:
One of my facebook friends mentioned me in the comments, requesting my opinion on this statement. By just looking over this briefly, I can see Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati’s quote doesn’t have a reference, so we don’t know it if is real or not and what is the context. We have already seen fake quotes been spread in ISKCON by pure devotees.
The second quote is from the book “Renunciation through wisdom”. This book was published in 1992, and it contains essays written by Prabhupada in Bengali, so this book is not actually written by Prabhupada on English. Having seen Jayadvaita’s magic on books which are on English, I am highly skeptical about BBT’s Bengali translations.
But not desiring to debate with Mahatma on his own facebook wall, I simply added around 7-8 comments which exclusively contained Prabhupada’s quotes. Here are the quotes I added:
Prabhupāda: Our business is to point out who is not a saint. (Morning Walk — April 10, 1974, Bombay)
The purport of the poetry is that one who is mischievous, he is culprit. But one who tolerates mischievous activity, he is also culprit. If you are mischievous, you are criminal. But if you tolerate mischievous activities that is also criminal. (May 3 1973 Morning walk)
Regarding the position of a person who does not speak even when he knows the truth: jani saksi nahi deya tara papa haya. ‘A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities’. (May 17, 1975 morning walk)
Apaiśunam means that one should not find fault with others or correct them unnecessarily. Of course to call a thief a thief is not faultfinding, but to call an honest person a thief is very much offensive for one who is making advancement in spiritual life. (BG 16.1-3)
When Rāmānanda Rāya addressed Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Caitanya Mahāprabhu objected, saying, “I am not the Supreme Personality of Godhead but an ordinary human being. Therefore I must fear public opinion in three ways — with My body, mind and words. (CC Madhya 12.50)
As soon as the general public finds a little fault in the behavior of a sannyāsī, they advertise it like wildfire. A black spot of ink cannot be hidden on a white cloth. It is always very prominent. (CC Madhya 12.51)
Blind following means: “Oh, there is a swami. So many thousands of people are following. Let me become his disciple.” This is called blind following. You do not know what is that swami, whether he is a swami or a rascal. You do not know. But because everyone is going, “Oh, let me become his disciple.” This is blind following, without any knowledge, blind following.” (Bhagavad-gītā 4.34-39, Los Angeles, January 12, 1969)
The fact is that I am the only one in India who is openly criticizing, not only demigod worship and impersonalism, but everything that falls short of complete surrender to Krishna. My Guru Maharaja never compromised in His preaching, nor will I nor should any of my students. We are firmly convinced that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and all other are His part and parcel servants. This we must declare boldly to the whole world, that they should not foolishly dream of world peace unless they are prepared to surrender fully to Krishna as Supreme Lord. (Letter to Giriraja, Bombay, Jan 3rd, 1972)
Mākhanalāl: Wasn’t that Ramakrishna who said he gave away everything; he had nothing more except…
Prabhupāda: What Ramakrishna? Don’t talk of these nonsense. Simply they have misled. That’s all.
Dr. Patel: Simply you bhaja Kṛṣṇa and don’t think anything else. And you get all your intelligence there.
Prabhupāda: Therefore Kṛṣṇa has said, mām ekam. “Don’t go to these foolish rascals.” Mām ekam. Otherwise you’ll be misled. Because they are misleaders, rascals.
Dr. Patel: You are so very hard.
Prabhupāda: I must be hard!
Dr. Patel: Hard, harsh, and hard and harsh…
Prabhupāda: The whole world is spoiled for these Māyāvādīs.
Therefore I am very much hard.
Dr. Patel: What… I don’t say hard. Hard and harsh…
Prabhupāda: No, we must be harder and harder.
Dr. Patel: Hard and harsh! Doesn’t matter…
Prabhupāda: I don’t make any compromise with these rascals. No words. No, no. I never made that. Even if I don’t get any disciples, I’ll be satisfied. But I can’t make any compromise like these rascals. I cannot make. Ekaś candras tamo hanti na ca tārā sahasrasaḥ. If I create one moon, that is sufficient. I don’t want many stars. That was my Guru Mahārāja’s principle, and that is my principle. What is the use of having number of fools and rascals? If one man understands rightly, he can deliver the whole world. Morning Walk, March 23, 1974, Bombay)
# The surprise
I want to point out that I didn’t write any of the comments on my own. I simply posted those quotes written by Srila Prabhupada. Not 5 minutes after I posted these quotes, Mahatma prabhu deleted all those comments and blocked me on facebook.
Facebook is not a perfect system, so although all my comments were deleted, my facebook friend who liked those comments managed to make a screenshot of my comments before they completely disappeared.:
# The clarification
So, after all those quotes were deleted, my facebook friend asked Mahatma to clarify why he deleted all those quotes and we made the screenshot of that question:
So, what happened after my facebook friend asked this question? His comment was deleted and he was also blocked by Mahatma. 😀 😀 😀
# The role of the guru
I am personally happy when people who I disagree with me quote Srila Prabhupada. This shows that they are at least somewhat knowledgeable about Srila Prabhupada’s books. I actually enjoy discussing philosophy based on Srila Prabhupada’s books.
And guru is somebody who takes delight in giving proper perspective based on Srila Prabhupada’s books.
From the other side, we can see the complete opposite behavior in Mahatma prabhu. He is not interested in Prabhupada and his quotes, he simply deletes them. So, it seems Mahatma prabhu is allergic to some of Srila Prabhupada’s quotes. Or maybe he thinks that those quotes are completely irrelevant. Who knows? But it definitely looks interesting to see Gestapo methods applied to Srila Prabhupada’s own teachings.
# The test
So, does Mahatma das like Prabhupada? Does he like to quote him? This incident made me really interested in that topic. Luckily, Mahatma prabhu has a website, and we can go through the articles on his website, and see how often he quotes Srila Prabhupada. That should be pretty easy.
Choosing to forgive
Article number one on his website is “Choosing to forgive“. Ok, this title sounds retarded enough, let’s count the number of times he actually quoted Srila Prabhupada in this 7-page article.
The astounding discovery is that he actually quoted Srila Prabhupada zero times. Not once. The actual definition of a quote is putting the author’s statement in quotes and providing a reference. I will now give you an example of a real quote so that you know what I am talking about. Srila Prabhupada said about sannyasis and women:
These rascals are also after woman and money, in a different style. Asat eka strī-saṅgī. Caitanya Mahāprabhu immediately rejects him, that “He’s a rascal. He’s after women.” Immediately. Asat strī-saṅgī. Two kinds of rascals—nondevotee of Kṛṣṇa and woman-hunter—reject immediately. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s… The sannyāsa life is… What is that? Cent percent, no connection with woman. That is sannyāsa. What we have renounced? We have renounced… We are using the motorcar, we are using this machine, we are eating, we are sleeping in nice room—what is the renouncement? Only renouncement is no connection with woman. That is the real platform of renouncement. If one can renounce woman’s connection, then he’s liberated man. (Morning Walk — Jan 31, 1977, Bhuvanesvara)
So, this is a real quote, it contains text as written by Srila Prabhupada and the exact place and date where he said that.
So, Mahatma das is not quoting Prabhupada even once in his article. But he is providing pseudo-quotes which help him to fool people into his forgiveness nonsense. For example, Mahatma writes:
So, Mahatma prabhu says in his article that “Srila Prabhupada asks us to be forgiving so we can cooperate to spread the movement”. Of course, since there are no quotation marks, it is hard to say what Srila Prabhupada exactly said. Searching in the folio for “forgiving cooperate spread” doesn’t bring any results. So, my conclusion is that Prabhupada never asked us to be forgiving so we can cooperate to spread the movement. Worst case scenario, this is a malicious fake quote which is trying to convert Srila Prabhupada into Dalai-lama.
We very careful of gurus who are paraphrasing Srila Prabhupada and not providing any real quotes.
# Rest of the articles
I will list articles from his website and I will put a number of times he quoted Srila Prabhupada:
- Code of honor – Srila Prabhupada quoted zero times
- Coming to Krishna consciousness – Srila Prabhupada quoted zero times
- Do I need a coach – Srila Prabhupada quoted zero times
So, in first 4 articles on his website, he quotes Srila Prabhupada zero times. This is not good.
By judging from his Facebook profile, he mostly engages in preaching through videos. I don’t have time to go through his videos, I already defeated one of his videos:
This fake guru preaches all the time about “not criticizing” and “forgiveness”. Almost as if he is a small, unsuccessful copy of Radhanath baba. None of these topics were preached by Srila Prabhupada. In that sense, he is completely similar to other mini-gurus such as Candramauli Swami who also preaches this nonsense all the time.
Srila Prabhupada was constantly criticizing the lost civilization that we live in today. Just look at his quotes at the top of this article. When Srila Prabhupada was teaching people how to become Krishna consciousness, the topic of “forgiveness” was completely absent from his talks.
And when this fake guru needs to “forgive” somebody for posting Srila Prabhupada’s quotes on his Facebook wall, he is not forgiving at all, that he shows his true nature of unforgiving Gestapo officer.
As I always say on the end of my articles: Be careful.